Uh-oh!!!!! Looks like somebody got caught

Total nonsense. Both these departments are searching for the qualified people for the positions. Everyone that applies take a written entrance exam, physical agility test, background test and interview. After this point you would think you pick from the top of the list. How does one race have an advantage over another? Here is a question do you want the top qualified person coming to your emergency or a person coming to you emergency that was hired due to skin color or sex?

When does the stupidity end. Its like the Black guy who complained to the shop steward that he got fired because he was Black. The shop steward said " No , you got hired because you were Black, You got fired because you were useless".

I'm a former police and I feel it's about time. I've heard the locker room chat for years. Qualified blacks were turn away for no good reason. Now they will pay with there pockets. Justice served!

Its all starting to sound like the same tune: Appointments, Departments, Boards, Pensions, ADA, Salary and Personnel Advisory, Revenue Authorities, Early Retirements, Settlements, Promotions, Ethics Bills, No Ethics Bills... Someone needs to lay it out and open it up... we then clean house and start to rebuild...

There is an ole saying that goes - As you make your bed, so must you lie on it!

They may need to change the sheets.

Maybe they don't want to be firefighters or police officers. Maybe those who want to be firefighters or police officers can't pass the tests or don't meet the minimum requirements to enter the program.

The county certainly openly promotes minority hiring. Not sure what you can do if they don't want to do it or are not qualified.

Not sure why Cummings is involved.

@ rape Md...What world do you really live in? When the sun shines, do you then say, maybe it's God with a flash light. Just look at the facts. Do really think out of the "minorities" in the area, they can't find any qualified ones. All you need is a high school diploma, the ability to shoot, run, write and drive. Stop allowing hatred and bad culture pull the wool over your eyes. Your better than that.
But let's not forget, they're only a reflection of the population. Meaning there are ppl in Baltimore county who don't a black officer respond to their homes. They will say " we won't another officer" or please come to the service entrance ( the back door). The dept is the easy target but the community is the real problem.

You know what I'm saying.
Your not looking for CIA agents.

What ever
It's design to get the results they want. Less minorities

Al:
Designed by who? Are you saying an effort is in place right now in our public schools to make sure minorities are specifically not being taught so they cannot qualify for these positions?
Are you saying political leaders and the people who work for them are specifically hiding, losing or doctoring up applications of minorities to make sure they are not admitted in these programs?
Are you saying those minorities who are admitted in those programs are specifically being targeted to make sure they drop out of the program before completion?
If this is the case, those leaders are all democratic. Yet minorities continue to vote overwelmingly Democratic. Why would people not vote in ther best interest? Why would people continue to do the same thing yet expect a different result?
You came out strong, but you finish up with "whatever."
If you want change, you will never get it by giving up.

Candidates are also disqualified for drug use .Simple pot conviction can follow and 18year old for life especially in this field.I believe this should be looked into a lot of qualified people make mistakes when they are young if they clean up tier act they should be allowed to apply.

This issue is a about a qualified or persons who's turned away for bias reasons. How many black or Hispanic ranking officers are in Baltimore county police. How many, past and present. How many are charged severly for minor incidents while there white counter parts are slapped on the wrist for an equal offense. Can't use the qualifying excuse there. So stop with the foolishness. Stay on topic and address the issue.stop trying to redirect. It doesn't work.

Blaming other people is no longer acceptable. The Democratic leaders which the minority community have supported with 90% to 95%of their vote have their folks in at all levels of the government. It is one of two items. Either your democratic leaders who you have overwelming supported are actually discriminating against you or the minority community can not produce enough qualified people for these positions. It is that simple. Stop blaming the man - you are the man!
Complaining about it won't help, excuses won't help. Demanding change of both your leaders and communities MAY help, but no guarantees.
The time for being a victim must end - accept responsibility. Refuse to be a victim - demand change.

I actually know kids in CCBC who rule out police for a career because of prior drug use .These kids are MINORITIES and would make good officers and command You are wrong the fact is when you stack the deck against candidates to choose from you are making sure they don't succeed .

I would hope that those in this discussion would want to take a look at this link on the county's website for a better understanding of the issue.

http://www.baltimorecountymd.gov/Agencies/police/careers/

Hasn't anyone noticed this area is changing and becoming more crime ridden as this area becomes more 'diverse?' It makes me very nervous. I agree with equal opportunity, but this whole thing concerns me. Hopefully, just employing qualified officers will help restore our area to what it used to be and should be. If the more qualified officers are of a certain race or gender than so be it.

It takes a very special person to take the abuse that most police officers take on a daily basis. From the public they serve as well as the supervisors they work under. It also takes a very special person to run into a burning building and stay in it. No ammount of training can create the personalities needed to function well in these stressfull jobs. It does not surprise me that they have trouble finding qualified Black candidates. It surprises me that they find ANY qualified candididates. One bad cop can cause community problems for decades. No one applauds the 100 good cops who quietly do their jobs day in and day out . Everyone wants to second guess cops. You always hear well why didn't they arrest so and so. Or the other side, gee why DID they arrest so and so. We want the cops to be judge and jury unless we or one of ours is going to be arrested then we scream about police brutality and badge heavy cops . Finding someone who can keep a level head while dealing with the situations they deal with has to be by its very nature a discriminating process. Cant hire a wimp, Cant hire a bully. Gotta find someone with the wisdom of Soloman, the patience of Jobe who is willing to work at public servant wages. Now once you find someone like this how do you weed out ones who can also lead others. And then lead those leaders and so on up the chain of command. There is no magic fix and assigning quotas will not fix this.

here we go folks its pay back time, from our most gracious affirmative action pres,
if you cant compete fairly and lose cry "unlevel playinfg field" let's do that in the NBA
its called revers discrimination see :Bakke Vs. The Board of Regents University of Californina a white man was denied entrance in to Law school only because he was white , He scored higher then the blacks he was passed over for. thers this concept of not having an equal opportunity or a cultural bias LOL!! my dad was the son of an Italian immigrant, he worked at Bethelem Steel and put himself thru law school "No special grants no, affirmative action because he was Olive skinned LOL!

The numbers of minorities being hired or being promoted is no fault of their own. Over the years entrance exams and promotional exams have been dummied down to equal out the quota “whoops I should not use that word” I think each department goes out of their way to hire minorities. They go to minority colleges, schools and community events to try to boost the quota “damn I used it again” But until they can pass a written exam, pass a physical fitness test and pass a background and drug testing the numbers won’t be there. If you want to look at a department that hires with bad practices look at Baltimore City if you’re a minority and have a pulse you’re hired and their services to the public is reflected in that.

hey Al youre not he black cop that lied on the police report on me are you? ( and said I teid to run him over with my car? funny how the stes attorney didnt want anything to do with that charge) or the black cop at Morgan State that told me I could park my delivery car at the curb while the blakc telephone man had his service vehicle parked at the same curb? its never the other way around is it Al ? Balck cops dont trump upo phoney charges oin white people do they Al ? when do you wnat to meet for coffee AL. so I can tell you all about it ?

Here are some interesting issues on the subject. The testing for entry into the department is established at a eighth grade reading level. GED's are accepted to meet the graduation requirement.

The county has an affirmative action policy. The county follows the Maryland State Police Training Commission guidelines. As a accredited agency it must also follow the CALEA standards.

Background investigations include such issues as drugs, employment history, employment eligibility - reading skills - and credit history.

Two agencies in the state that require the minimum of a AA degree are. Howard County and Montgomery County.

http://www.masschiefs.org/documents/The%20Impact%20of%20Higher%20Education%20in%20Law%20Enforcement%20Feb%202009%20and%20Summary.pdf

Well Said snake.

Oh,I'm not that Al
And my charges stick. Why, because I'm smart enough.
Most county, not all but most county cops couldn't and wouldn't work in the city cause of all the stress that come with city life. There is no test but life that can measure a mans heart and will. I read your replies but I hear bias and hatred and anger. That's not the issue. With all the soldiers that came home from the first Iraq to present. They couldn't find at least 20%. Com on man!

I'm not being angry or argumentive. I'm just standing on facts. Facts! Not opinion.

Oh, red dolphin...never compare yourself to being black. By the way, my mom used drugs all my life. My dad worked at the point and my grandad. I grew up on the streets. But I served in the military and my community and now I employ others so they can feed there families. But when u only judge base on race and not character. We all lose.

First of all if this is the Al that used the degrading word snake, if you are and referring to my comment, those are the facts, not opinion. They came from those involved in that part of police work. Those issues are all taken into account. Those policies apply across the board and have nothing to do with race.

How do you know what's in my heart. If you read my comments - if you are referring to me - then you would know I am outspoken regarding county government on issues like the ADA, leadership, and development just to name a few.

Show me one quote, just one where I have ever made a biased statement based on anger? You're the one who said; "Facts! Not opinion."

Wow, Wow, Wow. I don't believe I've ever seen such an outpouring of illiterate, uneducated bigots on these boards since the beginning. I guess Walmart is all sold out of white sheets now. Eh, fellas?

Not u buzz... I hear you. You have made great statements. I agree with you. Your cool. I don't hear or feel negative energy from you at all. I was speaking to a writer on the page. His me is snake.

This is issue is not the blunder of the County Executive or Buzzes best friend Fred. It’s the fault of the Fire and Police chiefs. Its basic politics 101 and when you leave someone in office for to long they self anoint themselves untouchable. These self-anointed dictators believe they are above all others. They convince themselves that there own rules and regulations, the County Code and the law does not apply to them. They take care of whom they want to take care of by promotions, bonuses, and better assignments. The ones they don’t like get the shaft or sent to work purgatory. That’s right my friends I did say inside non-competitive promotions, bonuses, and better assignments. This happens and has happened and the nerve of these two so called leaders, when the County and their employees tightening their belts, take on more responsibility, work more for less. These two men are taking care of whom they want because that’s what they have been allowed to do unchecked and unaccountable. If the County Executive is guilty of anything its not having the gonads to get rid of these two. So again why if the Federal Government investigating the Baltimore County Fire and Police Departments hiring practices? Its not so Mrs. Cahill can make a lot of money off of the County. No it’s because the Fire and Police chiefs have been in their positions way to long.

Ah. The old bigot card. When you have nothing else play it. Bart, I have asked a few questions on some previous posts. Would you care to answer those questions? I believe they are fair.

Al, I owe you an apology. Hope you accept it.

Joe. Let me get this correct. You are saying in a county that has been controlled by one party for my entire lifetime in a state that has been contolled by one party my entire lifetime except for 4 years and just passed transgender laws has no input with respect to the county police and fire? Further the 2 people in charge are leftovers from Jim Crow and have BOTH managed to systematically discriminate against minorities? And no elected official is responsible? Good news the Easter Bunny is coming soon!

Bart. Sad you have nothing and have to play your bigot card.w

No need buzz, your cool with me.

It generally never turns out well when you are on the receiving end of a letter from the Feds.

"I wonder what would be said if White decided to hold white only organizations, white tv stations? " they would answer that quesion,Freddy sort a like this " you;ve had all white organizatiions (entities) for years , its always been all white "
I saying thats the answer I have been given.......... I dont see that in year 2012 though,,,,,,,,,,, I see " people of color" in all facets of life now dont you? its just an excuse to keep playing race card......... no matter what they will always use it, why not it lowers the standard for them does it not? they dont see that though. its "YOU OWES US!" for what happened 200 years ago i

Britany, you must be really young or blind.
No disrespect...watch the movie Roots or Burning Missippi or amastade. Then comment. That should help you get and understanding of the mind set. I don't like when ppl pull the race card on either side. But when one side get all the advantages from gov and business. Something has to be done.
Try growing up poor then despite doing everything right. Someone tells you, your not qualified only cause the color of skin. Do understand for every white person told no there are 1000 or more blacks/denied. For every action there is a reaction. The universe will not let anyone get away with foolishness. We all will pay for unjust deeds. It's just that the time has come for white America to pay a price. It will change for the better, when ppl like you, who's probably descent otherwise. Began to focus on positive energy and stop supporting or ignoring the negative.
Did you know that here in America, there was a place where blacks created there economy and community separate from the gov and was destroyed for it. Do you realize that most of things you use in your everyday life was evented by a blacken or woman. Do know how much land was stolen from blacks and how many organs was taken unknowingly. This issue is only about jobs and education. But it really goes much deeper than that ma'am.

Al. Why is it time for White America to pay a price? I never did anything to you for you or against you so why do I have to pay anything? Why is it that when affirmative action started Black youths were trying to get educated and worked hard and now 40 plus years after the civil rights movement Black youths walk around with their underpants hanging out and call their women biatches and ho's and have no respect for themselves or anyone else. Based on the results I see I would say being given preference in jobs, education and everything else affirmative action has provided has been a dismal failure at best and more likely has destroyed Blacks in general. In all fairness its not just Black youths but todays youth in general who think this is the way to act. The good kids who behave and work hard get pushed aside in the schools while educators pour resources at the kids who could care less and whose parents could care less. Is it due to a breakdown in the family unit or a Whitey conspiracy Al? Kids who are raised to believe hard work and perserverance will get you ahead are typically the ones who get ahead. Kids who are raised to think society owes you something and blame whitey or blame the police, or blame the teachers or blame the government just keep going through life finding new excuses and people to blame cuz after all none of it is their fault. Can't be a Whitey conspiracy Al cuz this mentality is destroying white kids too.BTW, More land was stolen from American Indians!

Al sounds bitter, at least he;s honest. about being a racist

do you think hes got a chip o his shoulder? or jhe just feels inferior ? vent on the blog.Al. 'cause in the real world you arent much, blame everything racism. and you stymie any progress. have you heard Bill Cosby;s view ? huMM ? how is it he made something of himself ?

Im not a racist. Far from it. You guy are off topic and insist so I mention facts. I own my own business and employed everyone. I serve all communities and love everyone. You guys are haters and under cover racist. If you met me you would smile in face. All the while you would toss my application. Not every white person is like you I know. But one apple spoil a bunch. So the Feds has to step in. My proof is in the history books. Your arguement is week. And your revealing who you really are. Oh wait, this is a blog so your safe.

And again, your off topic!
Your off topic!!! Your off topic!!!

did you all hear about the 17 baltmore city cops that were convicted just the other day of extortion ? hey Al why are you a former cop ?

the bottom line is or question is are we judging the applicants ny their merrits? why should some one get passed over when they score higher? because they are not a person of color?

The facts are that the BCoPD HIRING PRACTICES are fair and balanced. If the qualified candidates are of ANY color, they will get an offer to join the department. I am a former officer. I applied 3 times. I was offered two out the three and declined once to finish my college degree. Race is not a factor in the process, regardless of what you all think, one way or the other.

I have an idea, administer the test anonymously. no names ,use numbers, no faces shown,,,,,

you also said thsat it was not so much the dept but the people in the community.
you stated "they will pay with thier pockets. justice served!" where do you think that mony comes from ? you and me

heres a quote from Al :"But let's not forget, they're only a reflection of the population. Meaning there are ppl in Baltimore county who don't a black officer respond to their homes " from what do you base this claim on , Al ?

i wonder how many young white prospects find them selves in the same postion.Kevin? Do you think they are not being tunrned down if they have a drug possession conviction? do you see your logic?

read below , maybe Baltimore county is afraid this will happen to thier dept. why risk thier integrity........... heres 17 reasons::::::::::: bunch of crooked cops!

" Middle River man became the latest Baltimore City police officer to admit his role in an illegal towing scheme involving a Rosedale auto shop.

Kelvin Quade Manrich, 42, of Middle River, pleaded guilty last week to conspiracy and extortion charges after five days of trial in federal court, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Maryland.

This came at the same time as a federal jury convicted another city officer, Samuel Ocasio, age 36, of Edgewood, of similar charges that the owners of Majestic Auto Repair paid him, Manrich and other Baltimore City police officers to arrange for their company, rather than a city-authorized business, to tow vehicles from "
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Personally I feel anyone who applies for a position in the Balto.,Co. police or fire department and takes the tests and qualifies should be accepted. Race should not be a factor in their acceptance if the County truly wants the best candidates.

if I only I would've run faster ,I could;ve qualified for the US track team

I would like to see the MOST QUALIFIED persons being hired in our fire and police departments.

Sue, isn't it interesting the the NFL, the NBA, MLB and the PGA are based on one issue and that is talent.

The reason is money talks and the rest walk. When there is big money on the line you want the best, i.e. Rice, Woods, Ruth, Jordan and the rest of the Hall of Famers.

Just look at the ladies golf tour the LPGA. Most of the dominant players are from across the ocean.

As they say the wide, wide, world of sports.

you might try to say this is off topic but it actually goes to the heat oif the matter :

why are there a disproportionate number of white sports casters in the NBA?

I sent a letter to Mr. Cummings in regards to his involvement in this matter. I expressed my concerns of his allegations of diversity in promotional testing and promotions. Everyone is giving the same allotted time to study, with the same study material and giving the same test so where is the problem? I then asked him would he look into the diversity issues of the NBA and the Miss Black America pageant. So far not a word from him.

try this test have a white person go on channel 22 on the Citizens Band Radio and listen to the warm reception you will get,,,,and I quote " This is a predominantly Black channel" it is a desiignated black channel according to that person,,,,,,,, there were two latin terms used in law school . (de Facto & de Jure ) . one denoted a segregation just naturally (socially) and then there was the other., determined by law (affirmative action is a good example). it has happened naturally, that channle 22 is a predominately a black channel ,,,,,,,,,, there is no predominately white channel, just an observation,,,this is a natural social effect..people like to be with those they can relate to.......... having said all that, Im not saying it applies here to hiring in Balto Co, but I will say this,when people like Al say that the amount of people form his race arent proportionally represented to the local population,,,,its not by design, Al. its occurring natuarally,,,,,,,,,,, every time you disagree with alot of black folk you become a racist.........not all of them. but Id say a very high percentage. it makes you sound so shallow !! have you ever heard a black person say this : "Blacks dont have the power to be racist" ( to discriminate it infers) ? which is a fallacy, go on channel 22 and you;ll see what I mean (hear) and tha'st just one example. why is there never a hate crime charged on a black person ? ...what is The Van guard justice society? no white allowed

Eastsider, after the testing phase at the entrance level, the county's policy is to place the minorities at the top of list in order that they may be processed first.

If challenged on that issue alone, you might find a case of reverse discrimination.

I always refer to the the wide world of sports where no matter who you are the bottom line is winning and not race.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/indianapolis-colts-to-release-peyton-manning-030612

working ths system is one thing Tim but claiming racial discrimination is another, Have youv ever heard of a white person winning a discrimination law suit Tim ? thrers no dount we got whites getting over o the system, but whether you believe this or not we are the "priviledged" it works evey time Tim,,,,,, the race card that is

Red,
14 New Haven firefighters won the discrimination law suit. (WHITE GUYS)

This link list quite a few similar law suits. Red, I take my shots at the county all the time, but in this case they have bent over backward to abide by the law.

Look at the problems in the city. Read the mayor's remarks on the officer just suspended over hiding the weapon issue.

http://www.adversity.net/0_PoliceFireMuni/PFM_frame.htm

I always draw parallels to the wide,wide world of sports.

Interesting recent article in The Sun. Looks like Baltimore County will be purchasing a van to make sure black applicants show up for the tests.

Crazy World!