He could have used a little better judgment and simply say 'youth mobs', but then again, one could also argue that these 'youth' could use better judgment and not cause havoc to begin with.
Those who would be offended by this 'pretty accurate' assessment of the mobs last St. Partick's Day should spend more time cleaning up their behavior instead of being offended of being called out for it.

IF IT QUACKS LIKE A DUCK CALL IT A DUCK.WAS AT THE INNER HARBOR LAST LABOR DAY WEEKEND AND WATCHED A GROUP OF 20 GOING THROUGH THE CROWD PUSHING PEOPLE AND GETTING INTO ARGUEMENTS WITH PEOPLE DARING THEM TO START SOMETHING.WILL NOT GO BACK THERE EVER.IT IS LIKE ALL OF BALTIMORE NO NEED TO GO THERE

I believe, Gov. O'Malley, that Del McDonough did visit the city. That is where he and his wife observed the violent behavior.

What's really sad is that you cannot speak the truth without being called racist. The statistics speak for themselves. Very few Marylanders will visit the Inner Harbor area for fear of encountering the criminal element (in addition to exorbitant parking fees, panhandlers, etc.).

If only McDonough didn't waste breath on waste side, he may have garnered some much needed attention to the ongoing violence issues for the Inner Harbor area:
"BALTIMORE (WJZ)— Violence at Baltimore’s most popular tourist attraction. Teens are arrested and tasered as police try to control an out-of-control crowd at the Inner Harbor."
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/03/19/10-arrested-after-crowds-of-teens-create-chaos-at-inner-harbor/

"Several witnesses who were dining at the harbor's restaurants said that around 9:30 p.m. several streets were blocked off, including Calvert and Pratt streets, as they attempted to leave the Inner Harbor Saturday night. The witnesses said that police escorted them to their car."
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-03-18/news/bs-md-ci-downtown-youth-arrests-20120318_1_youths-extra-officers-downtown

"Arrest in July 4 Inner Harbor stabbing"
http://baltimoreguide.com/http:/baltimoreguide.com/arrest-in-july-4-inner-harbor-stabbing/
"Three arrests after overnight shooting at Inner Harbor
...
It was shortly after midnight when police say two groups of teenagers exchanged words before the most serious threat. "The shooter in this case said the most disturbing part of this case, said essentially I feel like killing someone," said Baltimore Police Commissioner Fred Bealefeld."
http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/crime_checker/baltimore_city_crime/three-arrests-after-overnight-shooting-at-inner-harbor

This is starting to concern me. There is an effort by the right to gin up racial animosity towards Black people. So many stories about roving mobs of Blacks. This is the same justification of forming the klan, watch the movie "Birth of a Nation" to see evidence of this. I was just at the inner harbor a few weeks ago and it was magnificent. There were cops there in case anything went down. This promotion of fear needs to stop but those that want to justidy their racism and want to commit acts of violence against Black people won't let it. This is nothing new and leads to no good.

Dysfunctional adults and corrupt life choices yield these and other serious problems in the ghetto. Where are the City leaders?

this is what happens with a broken system that keeps making excuses for bad behavior and everything is someone elses fault. its all whiteys fault, its all bush's fault. if i get caught i get out anyways, yanawmean?! if you continue to hide from the truth and stick your head in the sand this is the society you get. be the only white person on any bus in the city and you'll see what i mean.

As a resident of Baltimore City for 34 years (yes, I know, I must be crazy) I whole heartily agree with Del. McDonough! Everybody wants to ignore or sugarcoat the facts, but sorry, they are what they are. We have been so programmed to be afriad of saying the color of the offenders that the news organizations have become very clever in their reporting. When the problem is caused by white youths, they are described as "white youths". When the problems are caused by black youths, they are decribed as "youth". Reda between the lines, it's there, but it should not be hidden. All I can say is Vacationers to Baltimore.........BEWARE!

These violent mobs of dirtbags are just the latest reason so many, including myself, view Baltimore as a toilet and the wonderful Light rail is just another easy pipeline to the formerly nice areas of the County. Its pretty sad when they need to put a fence around the Inner Harbor for July 4th fireworks to control the animals. We stay out of the city out of sheer common sense, yet our legislators in Annapolis keep picking our pockets to pump more of our tax money into that hole.

people don't like it when people tell the whole truth,and the truth is its the black youth who are committing these crimes,and a very few whites that's the facts.the mayor is scared to say it,and police officials are afraid to say it,im not..its the black teens who act like they have no home training who are terrorizing blacks and whites in the inner harbor.im black and can face that fact,because it is the truth http://innerharborviolencenightmaresonlightstreet.renthandy.com/

Baltimore is trash anyway bigoted city don't believe the logo Charm city.Middle River back in the 70's was all kkk they moved the Blacks out of the inner city there.They provided zero sources of entertainment and now they crying a river over what they didn't finish.There are plenty of white youths stirring up the same trouble.It's on the hush as usual.

While I am not a resident of Baltimore, I do find these comments to be extremely racist and ignorant. Not only is it unaccaptable for an elected official to use this unecessarily racially charged language to describe a problem that he offers no solution for- it is also reprehensible that somehow, this conversation has been distorted into a referendum on black American citizens in general. Please educate yourselves, and then attempt to have a civil and meaningful discourse about race- there is no room for this regressive kind of thinking if race relations are ever to improve in this country.

baltimore is a dump and the police force is a JOKE

The blacks this, the blacks that. These events don't showcase all of the black race. WE ARE PEOPLE. WE ARE ALL THE SAME. STOP LABELING

How can anyone try to justify reality? I work at the baltimore metro, I am now racist and the young black youths are total animals. On a daily basis I see them talk to people however they want. I see them try to start fights with people who are smart enough and fortunate enough to walk away. This is not racism this is honesty and its a shame that another human being regardless can defend these actions. Political correctness is getting old. But I guess this opinion makes me the bad guy or racist even though I work 60 hours a week, mind my own bussiness and am a productive member of society.

I am not racist is what I meant to say

I love OWEMalley's comment "Baltimore City has reduced crime by a greater percentage than any major city in American in the last 10 years". Statements that are general and vague are the politicians best friend. What type of crime? What constitutes a "major" city? How do I get a job to create these stupid statements for the Governor to use at press conferences? McDonough has a lot of guts for calling the mess in the city EXACTLY what it is. He will get beat up for it in the liberal media and newspapers, and by the liberal left that abhore such "blatent racism", but the truth is the truth. Every person out there knows exactly what they are doing when they fail to behave like a decent human being and good citizen. People that live around the mess know it is going on too. It is obvious that many politicians are too afraid of their precious political careers and pensions to take a stand, shine the light on the horrible behavior of these thugs, and speak the truth. Citizens that condone this type of behavior, or refuse to call it out for what it is, will just keep on voting for the same lame politicians like OWEMalley that spout off statistical nonsense but do nothing to really change the city. Start with manditory drug testing for all that want to receive benefits paid for by the tax paying citizens of this state! Get rid of the career politicians! Thank you for speaking out Mr. McDonough.

congratulations Mr. McDonough, you've made the Drudge Report :)

I agree, thanks for speaking the truth. It's long over due!

Well, I clicked the link http://innerharborviolencenightmaresonlightstreet.renthandy.com/ and my worst fears were realized. A bunch of people walking along the street, so frightening! WTH? If it was white faces instead of black, no one would be complaining. I saw people pushing strollers, children holding their parents hand... not a scene of anarchy and disobedience... just a large crowd of people headed home from the harbor. Stop spreading fear. Yes the mobs of youths are a major problem, I agree, but letting them win by avoiding the harbor is not the answer, unfortunately, I don't know what is. (Maybe Rev Emmit Burns, instead of fighting the gay marriage law in your church, you should be preach about parents getting control of their children and those children showing respect for society.

This flash mob violence being committed is done by black youths and is becoming a country wide epidemic. There have bin several video recordings of these incidents. Meanwhile in 2002 a group of black teenagers went to a party in glen burnie with guns, and looking for trouble. One of them gets killed and it is a hate crime because the kid was black!!!! Get real, show up to a party with a gun and you get the worse end of the deal but its on because you are black and the naacp will be there defending your actions and fighting to prosecute the others as a hate crime.

But its ok

for anyone who doubts that black teens are the ones causing problems at the inner harbor go to this website: http://innerharborviolencenightmaresonlightstreet.renthandy.com/
view it and you tell me who is causing the problems.............
http://innerharborviolencenightmaresonlightstreet.renthandy.com/

What is with the spamming??? ^^^^

I am sorry that Delegate McDonough saw something that made him and the missus uncomfortable. All the votes you get from your constituents will help ease the pain.

Out-of-town visitors are always welcome in Baltimore, however, and that goes for all of the people from up the country in Harford County, too.

Joey, why do have to get all personal, calling out Rev. Burns, a decent and godly man? Why don't you bring your Patch friends and a soap box and preach the old decency message? You could practice in Edgewood.

this is happening all over America: black racial violence that people are afraid to talk about, let alone confront. good book on it : White Girl Bleed a Lot: The Return of Racial Violence To America and How the Media Ignore It.

http://www.WhiteGirlBleedaLot.com

great book.

Mr. Tindel,

In your last post, the videos you linked to are videos of "The Block". Not exactly what I would call the inner harbor. That being said my real complaint with the Delegate was his use of the term "no travel zone" in reference to the inner harbor. Certainly during the day time and early evening the inner harbor is a safe place and good tourist attraction. And, if you have any sense you can usually avoid bad situations by being aware of what is going on around you.

Some of you white people are just plain stupid and racist. From my point of view, If whites want to discuss this situation in a rational manner, the use of racist language does not help the situation. Quite frankly, it does not matter whether the groups are small white groups, or large black groups, attacking people who are out for an evening with their love ones is just plain wrong. To say it's a small group of whites is trying to excuse their behavior because it a small group, it does not matter what size the group is if they are harassing and theating peole it should not be tolarated regardless to the size or the color of the group.

JD1 sounds scared to me. What's wrong, lil feller?

Hot air always makes a bad situation worst. Very irresponsible of an elected official. And people wonder why things never change. Diversity is a good thing and we as a country better learn how to embrace it.

I can understand Pats concern for the safety of tourists in the Inner Harbor. I have been to the Inner Harbor many times and never experienced a problem.It's a shame that a bunch of irresponsible youths use the Inner Harbor to settle their differences.The incident Pat described just happened to be the truth and he was understandably concerned for the safety of families.I have African American friends ( in Baltimore city ) who would never stoop to the level of those involved in that incident at the Inner Harbor. Anyone involved in an incident where it put multiple people at risk should get an automatic five year sentence, Easily could turn into a
full scale riot.If they feel there are no consequences for their actions why care ?

The government should put LSD or Ecstacy into the water supply. Stop much hate...

I removed a comment by Kingfishstew because it used foul/abusive language and violated our terms of use.

How many times have the left leaning pundits, the race hustlers (JJ, Al, Rev. Wright), said, we need a conversation on race?
Well, here is the conversation. Sorry, it is not what you wanted.
The vast majority of black people are very good people. They will need to make the change to those who do not behave properly. They don't want to, it is enough of a problem to get by, but they cannot let JJ, Al and Rev. Wright speak for them.
If a basketball team had one black player that was dominating the other team, the coach would focus on stopping that black player - why, because if he does not, his team will lose, and he will be looking for a job. Is he profiling?
If in my neighborhood, if a good looking white guy was robbing people, I would expect to be pulled over because I am a good looking white guy. Am I being profiled?
O'Malley's comments are simply sad. The absence of the Mayor is terrible for the city. Folks simply will go to Columbia to eat or elsewhere to spend their money - especially if they believe nothing is being done. Both the Mayor and Governor should be out in front of this clearly indicating this will not be tolerated. The question really must be asked - do they care about the city/state, or just getting elected?

Yes, black youth pick on whites because whites are less violent and more law abiding, which translates to good targets. And when blacks and whites get along, they pick on Asians, because they are more law abiding and less violent than whites. Notice the correlation with less violence and IQ?

Busted him up, did you, JD1? Messed with your ride. Got some criminality up in you. Really showed him. Sidewalk sandwich. Did you pop tool?

I don't have pals, JD1. I just try to stay away from barbarians with carry permits.

The problem here is Rawlings-Blake,Keffer Mitchel,Martin Ono OMalley just can't stand the truth,the Police are undermanned ,their hands are tied when it comes to administering the Law.It's a shame that a few uncaring Black youth gangs who are doing this give the good kids a bad rap.The City and State Aristocrats (Democrats) could care less,and you can believe they do cook the books on crime.They even made this a sanctuary State that made it twice as bad.Old saying is you made this bed now you sleep on it and that includes all of you who put these Geniuses in office.Now your paying the Piper.

Read the thread, Bob. Read the thread.

But...Oh, you pack, too? John Wayne. James Bond. A serious he-man.

Please don't blow me away, mister.

I have been to the Inner Harbor exactly once, when my family flew in to BWI for my graduation for The Catholic University of America (in DC) in 2009. And we walked around the area both before and after we had dinner in Little Italy (??) without any reservations about our safety or concern about being accosted.

Some people just LOVE to create divisions with others where none would have existed otherwise. And sometimes those poor souls get elected. No accounting for taste, I guess.

The condition of the English language in these offerings is all we need to see to know the end is nigh--how we speak is how we think. Sadly.

LOL Once again McDonough opens mouth and inserts foot.

Thank God for people like Pat - he is telling it like it is. So what if he said they were black - lets address the issue - not the way it was said.

This State is such a joke - I can not wait to leave

Here's a story about the real mob mentality....Quick Read...http://buildbackwards.blogspot.com/2012/04/race-riots-black-wealth-and-gap-band.html

I would not take my kids in the city to see any attractions,due to being afraid. Unfortunately everything takes place in the city. I live in Baltimore Co.I am not a fan of Mcdonough by no means,but I did agree with him on his "speak english "campaign. I agree with his issue today but i think he could have worded it differently,the African American population is the majority in the city so most of the problems are with this race. Being that he is a Delegate for BALTIMORE and HARFORD COUNTIES maybe he should be more concerned about what goes on in his on communities.....In Harford Co...you have Edgewood one of the worst areas for drugs and crimes(shootings stabbings and gang activity) and yes predominately African American. In Baltimore Co. his own community of Hawthorne is high in crime and gang activity...maybe he should focus on these areas where he was elected to speak for.....

This guy looks like the worst Elvis impersonator ever.

I never go to the inner harbor or other parts of the city unless I am with a group of friends. It is an undeniable fact that whites, especially those walking alone are a target. I have friends who have experienced roping...extremely scary. I also was cornered by a group of black thugs during my time at University of Baltimore one night coming home from the aquarium & dinner. I had to leave out of the entrance of the parking garage because they were blocking the exit.

I bet there is a problem with unruly kids out there, because parents aren't parenting. I think the problem when it comes to race issues in conversation, is that if you see someone commenting on this article and that person is black, then more than likely they don't live in a ghetto, they don't know anyone that lives in the ghetto and they aren't a product of the ghetto. I'm black and I am 42 yo, my dad was an aerospace engineer, myself and all of my siblings and all of our friends are gainfully employed home owners. I have no children, I have 11 nieces and nephews, that all live in two parent homes and are excelling in school. The youngest is set to compete nationally in kayaking next year and the oldest is living in London finishing her masters. So, there is a huge divide of inner city youth and all of the black suburbanites that you're seeing online complaining about people painting with a broad brush. I am not going to say anything to inner city youths because they aren't my kids or my friends kids or anyone I would know. Sure, someone is dropping the ball out there, but it isn't me and mine. So, I don't want me and mine to be pre-judged based on some other persons behavior.

Wake up young people you are distroying your city. You want change grow up if you do not you will be made to do so. If locking you up or killing you is what is necessary that will be done to you. You have forgotten that people have fought for you to be able to go out and go wilding. Grow up before it is to late!!!!!!

Help your families, educate yourselves, protect your community, rebuild your communities and by "any means necessary" change!!!!!!!

If slavery is somebodys defense to black in baltimore city acting like animals in 2012 then you show you lake of intelligence. Keep blaming our forefathers 300 years ago for your actions today..... blacks fought for civil rights, won (which they deserved) now take the civil rights and can't act CIVIL, AND CONTINUE TO PLAY VICTIM. Quit making excuses

Seems like there are enough incidents for the necessary footage here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z5MGJ87hPGw#!

Whenever a person behaves in an abhorrent manner, it poses the risk that it will be filed away in people's memory that "women are weak", "black people are dangerous", "asians are aggressive and selfish", "jews cheat". So, black kids should realize that every time they act like this, it only bolsters those opinions and may become a justification for a "shoot to kill". (just like every time a woman lets her boyfriend get away with abusing her, or a jew does a bernie maddoff, or an asian pushes ahead of someone in order to be first etc... Think before you behave, it affects everyone.

Sounds like another atempt to divert attention from the issue by focusing on the words used rather then the truth behind them. I don't recall hearing any outcry when the media described Zimmerman as a white male and Trayvon Martin as a black youth, nor did I hear the term "hate crime" used regarding the white male beaten on St. Patrick's day in front of the courthouse. If we want to be color blind it has to be 100% of the time, not at the media's convenience.

When McDonough says “…a mob of nearly 100 people "battling" in the middle of the street…by black youth mobs" does he really mean people waiting for a bus or a group crossing the street? He is typical of the mentality of the tea party/GOP: frightened while seeing “monsters under the bed”, hostile to minorities, ready to over-generalize and attacking anything not in his comfort zone.

Actually, I don’t believe him at all. He is a publicity hound who caters to the lowest common denominator with provocative, irresponsible statements in lieu of legislative accomplishments. He is not an asset to Harford County and the sooner we replace him with someone who can help us the better.

There are some people out there who cannot believe in the truth. Even if it bit them in the ass.

I walk down the inner harbor two times a week during lunch hour and I have never seen any "youth mobs." The problem is all over the city. Watch everywhere you go and everything you do at all times. Crime is EVERYWHERE!

The Mayor and City government DO need to step up and do something about this continuing problem. The issue may or may not be overblown, but perception is reality and will sway a lot of prospective visitors and would-be residents. My wife and I (suburbanites) are definitely left of center politically, and have been going to the City very regularly the last six months or so and love it. We've been around the usual destinations of Canton, Fells, Inner Harbor and Federal Hill, and also to the Station North area. We have not experienced anything bad above horrible traffic caused by "I'm more important than anyone" attitudes that prevail a lot of places. We haven't been crime victims or seen any violent confrontations, but have to admit that they scare us. A lot of youth, regardless of race and ethnic background, seem to be more prone to anti-social if not abusive/violent behavior nowadays, and when they organize into mobs (much easier to do in this era of social networking and easy communications) it's very scary. The City has a lot to offer, and we're even considering moving there, but I'd be lying if I told you that video such as the one with the tourist being beat up and stripped doesn't scare the heck out of us and make us wonder how serious the City's leadership is taking things when there's already news of many of the associated criminal charges being dropped! When violent/ anti-social behavior prevails, it needs to be dealt with firmly regardless of who's involved.

Buzz: Before you show everyone your lack of comprehension, let’s look at what I actually wrote. I did not say that there weren’t unfortunate and illegal actions by irresponsible youths during St. Patrick’s Day: they happened and it was wrong. Nor did I delve into what I feel may be the cause of such actions by the FEW who did it.

What I pointed out was that the good delegate’s only contribution to Harford County is his constant stream of racists and irresponsible statements that accomplish nothing but gin up fervor by people like you. That and I do not believe for a moment he witnessed anything.

In a Republic nation whose citizens are to be led by reason and persuasion and not by force, the art of reasoning becomes of first importance. – Thomas Jefferson, 1824

Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. – John Adams (1814)

Regulations, political correctness, teaching distorted history, unless we return to a Republic we have sealed our fate, John Adams gave us the warning sign, United States will destroy itself !

Del. Pat McDonough,
I wonder if you can comment on the rampant and dangerous exploitation of racism by old, fat, white guys within the Republican Party?
Response ( crickets)
Oh, yes, just as we thought.

Thanks Del. Pat McDonough,

Proud you have a habit of redefining words you have already written. That is called - spin - and that is why I quote you. You live by the word, you die by the word.

This is what you said: "He is typical of the mentality of the tea party/GOP: frightened while seeing “monsters under the bed”, hostile to minorities, ready to over-generalize and attacking anything not in his comfort zone."

David's comments are based on research of data, not opinion. Yours are base on your own words and opinion. My comments are based on research of the media reports on the incident, which by the way was started by a blogger by the name of Adam Meister.

Show me a quote from the article that is racist and what does the tea party have to do with this issue?

It seems the comfort zone of which you speak applies to you and gets shaken when someone does not agree with your agenda.

This quote is ludicrous: "statements that accomplish nothing but gin up fervor by people like you. That and I do not believe for a moment he witnessed anything."

I was not talking about what he witnessed but what the media witnessed and those are facts that go right over you head. Do you know what links are? Click on them, do some research, observe, study, and then comment. Save the spin for those who are already dizzy.

M. Sullivan you know who Steve is? Would you expect anything less with his intellectual abilities.

I believe that if the youth of America needs to understand what our country is all about. The military has made it hard to enlist High school graduates or a GED with 15 college credits and a clean record. Before when the young got into trouble the Judge would give a choice Jail or military service for troubled youths, The Judges don’t have this option putting them in Jail to be career criminals. Teens need a place to go parents who cant control there kids, I served with a few of them and know one man at age of 17 his mother put him in the military. He service in Nam got out worked to his GED, College then became a Police Officer and Detective. We are a country of misfits; Misfits have received the highest honor, The Metal of Honor. The restrictions of parenting not having this options lead to puts crack in our country. Most gang members are looking for a family and protection. Students have to do community projects for a grade, so why not have the draft when the misguided can do National positive projects improve them and contribute to society. Give this option to the Judge and the parent. It worked before and Is the greatest nation in the world but on its way to implode.

David: “But these stats just confirm what EVERYONE knows to be true.”

Really? EVERYONE? That is an argumentum ad nauseum (the incorrect belief that an assertion is more likely to be true the more often it is heard) or an argumetum ad numerum (a fallacy that asserts that the more people who support or believe a proposition then the more likely that that proposition is correct; it equates mass support with correctness). Now you’re starting to sound like Buzz.

M. Sullivan for the record I can't use a word like that, but off the record is a different story. I will say that as long as comments don't violate the terms of use or the law, I have no problem with. I got a little lazy with some old issues and did not take the final step because things changed and I was OK with that.

Some people don't realize there are two distinct issues when commenting on the net. One involves the issue of libel and the other is Article 27 along with the federal codes. The Sun just did a series of articles on this issue.

Proud To Be Liberal and I go back and forth, but we do so without breaking the law.

I believe that if you want to be taken seriously then articulated don't denigrate.

Patch blogger LeRoy Graefe writes that Del. McDonough shouldn't "mess with our town." http://patch.com/B-RhL

M Sullivan: Yes I can understand that you abhor logic and reason. You take everything on faith.

Just remember: “If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.” Thomas Jefferson

What part of what McDonough said, is not true?

The true question is what the correct course is, Color may be a factor but that is caused by the government by defining certain rights for certain races. This is WE THE PEOPLE and WE need constructive communication instead of pinning the blame one, or group be constructive remove color we are equal our blood is the same color. People’s actions are the true underlying issue. All other is just plan BS so I put in a constructive suggestion "Proud to be liberal" you are correct but what we need here is more possible ways to correct it . All officers in the service are Collage Grads, some are of political families. But even those Americans (your reference) can be subject to the draft gaining leadership skills service to our Nation. One way to help stop this is labeling of Americans of a race as you did in your comment that would be a start. We the people band together as one, equal rights for all. When our Military Men and Women go to other countries, those countries SEE Americans, Terrorist see us all as Americans, why can’t we see ourselves As Americans work together as one? How about constructive suggestions and cure the action of people? And in one comment someone stated Jail, That’s where career criminals come from; Jail is a collage for career criminals

I was branded a bigot some 22 years ago when I wrote a black columnist in the Sun, that fine, upstanding "never tell a lie they don't adore" newspaper, publicly, objecting to his one way reporting of a similar series of incidents. The downtown behavior isn't new; it is, in truth, quite an ongoing issue here. Once upon a time black citizens generally did not care when the black criminal preyed, for he preyed on whites. Then all the whites left. Then the black criminal preyed on blacks. Suddenly many black citizens began to suddenly notice "crime". Yet they are slow to do so and sometimes the insistence on black solidarity ultimately gets in the way of their admitting to reality. Thus are some blacks offended when the roving street gang is refered to as the black roving street gang. Whether the way majority black population of Baltimore wishes to face this reality or not, the roving street gangs ARE black, not white, not hispanic, not asian, not American indian. Black. Get over it.

I got over my humiliation at trying to raise the flag on a serious issue. I stopped giving a damn about Baltimore and its incredible social hypocrisy and reality denial. Reality denial is something some groups, as well as left wingers and democrats generally, choose to do. It seems they would prefer killing messengers to solving problems. I gave up and today I laugh and laugh at Baltimore's self created plight.

As to O'Malley, he is a liberal piece of work and you get what you vote for.

When people gather with criminal intent they must be stopped to protect the public at large. The use of deadly force by police or national guard will curtail the riotious activity and protect the public.

Here is the sad and inevetibale truth that proud to be liberal does not want people to dwell on. Scores of people including myself from the county and out of state do not care to pursue commerce in the city because of this very issue. As we, and tourists go elsewhere the revenue of the city markedly decreases, which goes to pay for services and facilities. Tax revenue decreases as more and more move out of the city and take their business with them. But ultimately in the end, you will see a pastor, sociologist, or social worker with the same mantra as proud to be liberal on some tv network decrying that politicians and government have failed because of a lack of opportunities for inner city blacks in the form of jobs and poor education. Yet not surprisingly they will never mention that the collective behavior of such individuals prevents commerce from being conductive which benefits not only the residents of the city, but of the state.

i don't see how anyone can say this is a racial topic, Baltimore city is predominately black,and the teens committing most of the mayhem,and crime are black,facts support that,videos support that,and police reports support that.how come congressmen like keiffer Mitchell and the mayor of Baltimore city cant see the facts are not on there side.
http://innerharborviolencenightmaresonlightstreet.renthandy.com/.

Compass wrote "This is WE THE PEOPLE and WE need constructive communication instead of pinning the blame one, or group be constructive remove color we are equal our blood is the same color. People’s actions are the true underlying issue" that's fair, they just happened to be black . but you are right, not to pin it on the whole race.......... but lets do somethng abou the mobs

The Inner Harbor is terrorized by bad comb-overs and cheap-looking suits.

"There is not a growing problem of violent black youth "flash mobs" in this country. "
I wish that were a true statement tell that to the guy they beat the crap out of in front of the court house as people just stood there and watched,,,,,,,,,,, thereare some arrests in this case,,,,,,,,,,,,, fact not fiction............. dont say we dont have a problem we do!

If we want to stop recognizing the "color" of criminals, let's be consistent and become truly one race. I agree, we are one race. So let's drop the whole "African American" thing and just be "Americans.". Let's drop the whole "Black History" month. Let's stop t
Comparing test scores by race. Let's eliminate haring quotas. Let's remove all of the ethnicity check boxes on forms an applications. Let's abolish the NAACP and abolish the Black Student Union on every campus. Let's remove the special funding to historically black colleges. I am definitely ready to be color blind!!!!!

Things started changing when they took God and corporal punishments out of schools, and the father and spankings out of homes. For all groups. Locally, it is black youth running the streets, but it seems all groups have lost their manners. Something needs to be done with these roaming hooligans, and I am not talking about opening the door to Islam. People should not be afraid to punish their children for doing wrong and more Parents need family counseling. There should be a curfew for non- working teens in the city. More structured activities too. I know most of it costs money, but churches and government could find mentors to volunteer for free, and businesses could be granted tax breaks if they help fund something. No matter what the race, if this keeps up, the area is going to lose money as people will see it as a 3rd world bung hole.

Can we also do something about left-wing liberals that have run the country into unheralded bebt? Or how about the Occupy Spacers? Wait, I forgot, the 2010 elections spoke for getting rid of that mentality.

Ralahinn - you nailed it. Kids need two involved parents at home. Family values have Gone extinct. All behavior is considered " normal.". If you question the actions of anyone, you are considered to be culturally insensitive or ignorant. Hip hop culture has glorified profanity, crime and drug use. What parent in their right mind would allow their kids to run around the streets on school nights when we all know that an education is the key to social mobility. The morons in the videos will soon be parents - if they aren't already - and God help their offspring. The future looks pretty bleak ...

I guess it is a good thing that they keep god in Terrorist households.

Things started changing when the government and teachers unions took over the school system. Since then America and its youth have been in seriously decline.

JD1, if someone were to discuss cars in a way that would make sense--maybe to enable a buying decision or an engineering decision--why would one refer to the color of the car? Wouldn't someone, instead, offer details about the engine and its manufacture? Wouldn't reliability be a factor under a variety of conditions be mentioned? Wouldn't cost and benefit enter into the analysis?

My point is that if the only thing you can talk about when discussing cars is the color, you do not have much to say about cars that I care to listen to at all, much less over and over again. I would actually end up thinking that you know very little about cars and are concerned only about what scratches some odd itch that you have about paint.

It is this kind of thinking, which when applied to people, is termed "racist". There are many, many factors that cause there to be differences among people, nearly all of them attributable to cultural differences and very few of them attributable to the biological differences.

Until you develop a more sophisticated analysis of human differences, one that is characteristic of educated people not schooled in black and white or "deschooled" through cultural mixing, you cannot be trusted. Racist thinking is not limited to black-white by any means, but it is the current American brand and certainly the Patch community brand.

Cars don't have a culture associated with their color - tahrs the issue - inner city black pathological culture - not COLOR - you just don't get it!

And what are the features of the culture that you insist on referring to by color?

Are they different from predominantly Jewish street cultures of the twenties and thirties in New York? Clannish, violent, tending toward organized crime.

What about Albanian crime families in Europe?

What about the Yakuza?

What about bootleggers in the American South that is the foundation of the NASCAR culture?

My only question is why does your simple-minded shorthand rooted in your personal experiences or the bigotry that was part of your upbringing have to shape the way we talk about societal problems and social problems in America. I find it rude, uneducated and unlikely to result in any solutions.

Keep your business and discourse in the exurbs far away from diverse populations. I mean, your parents and grandparents rolled out for a reason. They damaged with every act and you damage America with your every word. Have some guts and face the fact that you are a disappearing soon-to-be minority barely hanging on.

If it isn't Paul "we are all victims and not responsible for our behavior" Amirault. So Paul, since the black mobs that violate the law with reckless abandon are not responsible for their actions and have automatic aggrieved status, which other party or parties are to blame?

I enjoy following these conversations to hear other points of view and give all of them some thought. To both those who agree and disagree with the Delegate's comments, one question. Since most people don't follow these issues, they may have heard these comments by the delegate, perhaps read the Sun article, but have not heard anything from the leaders of the city or Maryland about the problem. They also know The Sun is a left leaning paper, so for this to be written, it must really be bad. And yes, they know those doing the damage are black. I sit here watching the Orioles pounding out what looks to be another win. The city/town in general should soon be on fire if they continue to win. But I am sure folks with young kids or young couples have to have some apprehension in going downtown to catch a game and facing the possibility of facing mobs of people creating problems. Would you agree that the fear of the elected officials to speak up and lay out a plan to put folks at ease is very bad for the economics of the city this summer?

Escariot: Race? I don't talk race. You talk race. And your kind is fading away. Hanging on.

Though your ancestors were members of the working class tied to the industrial mechanism--steel industry, they had something going for them that the urban poor of 2012 do not have going for them: they looked like Americans who had already arrived in the middle class--and earned the highest industrial wage paid in the Western world, a union job. Meanwhile, back on the farm, sharecroppers under Jim Crow laws....

Don't be a phoney--though Judas Iscariot betrayed Christ. My people did the same thing yours. They came to the industrial centers during the war and after it and were accepted and then rewarded. Acknowledging that not everybody had those advantages gives you a chance to be gentle, forgiving, decent even. Better than coming off like a narrow-minded, bigoted creep.

See where your assumptions take you Ike. My grandfather came to western pennsylvania from Lithuania. His first jobs becuase his English was so terrible and assimilation was not apparent? He was a housekeeper that cleaned the rooms and bathrooms at a state mental hospital. Middle class and highest industrial wage? Hardly. It was his working multiple jobs at the state hospital that allowed for my father to educate himself and get a salary job in the mills as a material analyst. That was not a union job in the steel mills. So what advantage did my grandfather have in doing menial labor? What was forgiving, decent even of Obama and the dems ending the voucher program for inner city DC youth that exhibited tremendous growth and ability in taking advantage of better schools? I am not bigoted, I merely state facts and point out hypocrisies. Another fact and hypocrisy is that inner city minorities have been voting for one party for 60 years and their socioeconomic conditions have not improved. Is it my fault? Here is a great example of that Ike. Hillary and Bill Clinto commited so many programs, financial aid, and resources for african americans that he was affectionately called the first black president. And what happened Ike? When african americans had to choose between a proven track record of improving their quality of life or someone of the same color that did not do those same things look at how they voted.

Did anybody in your family benefit frim the GI Bill? And what did you get during the Clinton years? You just can't shake the black-white thing. You might be a good enough guy. Stay out of Baltimore. Folks there will not like you.

Angry fellow, I wish you the best. You wore me out.

Paul Amirault, I just don't listen.

My brother benefitted from the gi bill, as well as my father. What i got during the Clinton years was a better tax code than that of Bush the junior. Wanting to avoid lawlessness makes me angry? How? I have been in downtown baltimore at the inner harbor and did not experience the troubles named by the delegate. Considering the horrific national reputation of baltimore, it seems that more folks do not like baltimore than vice versa.

We're all right, Escariot, but the key concept of analysis is poverty and social class, not race. People who were uneducated, unaffiliated and fresh from the country could not take advantage of any of the government's interventions and suffered most when jobs requiring physical labor disappeared. SIxty years is a drop in bucket under these circumstances.

Lighten up. Nobody is getting a better deal than you and nobody is getting over on you.

No silver bullets, Escariot. Sorry. Incorporating immigrants and marginalized populations into the mainstream takes generations, plain and simple.

Jury is out on charter schools.

Are you counting higher education costs in your per pupil allocation data?

Data about education costs as a percentage of GDP is interesting http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.XPD.PRIM.PC.ZS

I am going by data regarding k-12th grade Ike. We spend the most per pupil than any other industrialized nation, yet we rank below 40 countrywise in our performance. The jury is not out on charter schools in Louisiana and the improvement over the public schools that were destroyed in Katrina. The cost is of tremendous importance when you consider that the city of Detroit public school system "lost" 600 million dollars. How the **** do you lose 600 million dollars in money for your schools? Whoops, must have had the money slip out of a hole in my dockers. Those incidents Ike are why i favor smaller government. Large government apparatus leads to nothing but graft and corruption. The washington post had a great article in friday's paper about how the department of homeland security, ice, border and customs agents, and the tsa being arrested for exactly that--graft, corruption, and the theft of citizens private property. Our higher education system is skewed so that people come out of school in massive dept so they have no voice of protest or unrest in fear of losing what little jobs they have to pay their loans. I saw a great segment where a uk economist explained how this works and noticed how before the teapart and occupy wall street americans had become cowed to the government apparatus. Just my opinions, anyway.

Come on, look more carefully at the Detroit case: http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Detroit_Public_Schools,_Michigan

Simply because public education has collapsed in certain poverty-stricken, bombed out, inundated cities does not indicate that charter schools will solve anything--except fast-tracking a creamed off portion of the student population back to school.

The problem 1ke, is that public schools all over the country are facing the same issues. Like I pointed out, the gsa, ice, secret service, border patrol, customs, tsa, fast and furious. Large government breeds graft and corruption. Did you enjoy the rap videos of gsa employees bragging about wasting our money and having immunity from being prosecuted. You also missed the president of the teacher's union when caught on film stating that it was not about the kids, but about preserving the power of the unions. That one was priceless and completely proves my point.

Honey, probably 50 white kids in your class and candy bars were 2 cents. Senator Joe in charge and it was a great country, if you were white and not a "communist".

A politician that refers to a group of people by using the term "black" is labeled a bigot, racist and hate monger. Why is this so, when the US Government can refer to a group of people by using the term "white"? (see the US Census data 2010)

Until people accept the truth, the problem cannot be effectively dealt with. Del. McDonough might have hurt feelings, but sometimes that's necessary to tell the truth. He is neither a racist or bigot. He is in fact a truth teller. Don't shoot the messenger.

Del. McDonough should mind his own business, personally, and that of his constituents in his role as a duly elected politico.

Those sweet young people are just acting out. Perhaps a timeout would give them the incentive to be nice. They should be put to work cleaning up the dirty streets in Baltimore. They need to sweat out some of that energy. And the Mayor should give them back their pools for the summer and stop worrying about a stupid car race.

Were there are any white kids in these mobs?
If not, it is what it is.
PS The whole country saw the video. The secret is out. Baltimore tourism is finished.................for decades. Good luck with that....

Rev. Sharpton and Jesse Jackson always want to jump in to get attention for a cause. This had to do with black youth out of control.Come to Baltimore and help create jobs and programs to keep the youth occupied. Too much talk and little action.The private sector can do it without relying on city funds which are stetched to the limit.People in the city are fed up with crime and want a "change". They deserve it !.

Your post was an oxymoron. You ask people to come to downtown baltimore and invest their own private equity while violence downtown disrupts commerce. Every time Baltimore holds an event violence mars the event. Why would any sane and rational being invest their own hard earned money to give jobs to criminals or to have it robbed and vandalized?

Sounding whinier and weaker by the day. A drunk got rolled and robbed. Some people ran around in front of the delegate's car. Some people got punked at the fireworks. Thugs kicked the mess out of each other.

Sounds like a bunch of people have a good time in downtown Baltimore, too. Try to get a parking spot. Fight your way to the bar at the Power Plant. Check out the O's at Camden Yards and the Ravens at M&T. Have fun. Park your car in Towson and catch the Light Rail. Go to Owings Mills and take the Metro. Drive to Canton and catch the water taxi.

Sick in your head? Go to Johns Hopkins.

It is a proven fact that even government assistance cannot overcome such behavior. Every day the government partners with grocery chains to put stores in low income and dangerous areas. What happens? These stores close, legally, when the government's reimbursion for theft cannot cover the chain's losses. Imagine what would happen if that would have been private capital and equity. As to ikes post, pittsburgh is half the size of baltimore yet hosts more events and has more corporate headquarters in its cities confines. Why? You don't have violence marring those special events such as all-star games, fireworks, bass pro tournaments.

Rare MD, you must be one of those Job Creators I keep hearing about,

Hunt Valley? For real? It's all rented out again? Jumpers Hole II? Stop.

People have been living in cities for about 6000 years. You think this fleeting hysteria over somebody getting roughed up is going to turn all of that around?

Is Bata Shoes still headquartered in Harford County?

If so many people are going downtown and spending copious amounts of money, then why is baltimore trying to more than double their ridiculous "bottle" tax? Sorry 1ke, but people are moving out to hunt valley and farther away from the city because of crime. More and more rural areas are being developed and are priced to keep that level of crime out of the new expanding suburban areas. What will happen though rare maryland independent is that when those inner city areas become condemned and ramshackle, developers will swoop in and build it back up by pricing apartments, townhouses, and bring in high end businesses to avoid such a recurrence of crime and violence. A decade or so from now developers will once again change the demographics.

Better learn to love the light rail. Every one of 'em will be heading back inside the Beltway. Look at the ICC fiasco. Go ahead, pull up to the toll booth and say how that worked out for the greater good. HOV lanes on I-95. Solving the bottleneck problem? Didn't think so.

People just can't have it both ways: a non-agrarian, countrified lifestyle and the creature comforts of a modern consumer society. It costs too much and the economic future is uncertain.

I resent the fact that the same people who cower and fret in the flesh--the offspring of the people who surrendered their city in the block busting era and bought the marketed Leave It to Beaver, suburban pipe dream--sit back and pound nonsense into their keyboards. Why is it that there are more than 50 cities the size of Chicago in China? Why is it that 84% of Brazilians live in cities?

In a world of shrinking (shrunken?) resources the choice is clear. Seize back the cities. Make them work. Swing the deals that it takes to carve out a decent way of life. Diversity matters.

Why does China have huge cities? Because mobs likes the ones in baltimore wind up in gulags. Look at the crime and punishment figures in China. You do not terrorize areas of China without severe retribution. Actually 1ke, people do have it both ways. People move out of the city because of the crime and mobs, and most exit the city like a bat out of hell when their shift is over. You can seize back the cities all you want. You also assume too much. I spent 3 years in north philly as a temple university student as a minority in one of the highest homicide rates in teh usa. Had no problems as far as violent crime because i have no ill intentions towards people of diverse cultures and races. I did however witness how temple u bought up millions of dollars of property but could still not contain crime. Businesses in that area are almost non-existent. That is because even though temple buys up properties and makes them high end, nobody except students are willing to live in that militarized homicide free for all.

george got it done. one shot.

My friends and I have all been harassed and assaulted by groups of black youths. In DC, it's a problem too. Using the word "black" to describe them is perfectly reasonable considering the accuracy of the description. In Orange County, I was once assaulted by an "Asian" youth mob. It was just as scary. Whether we describe the race of the assailants or not, it's clearly a problem that needs to be addressed. Baltimore and DC have a problem with their youths committing violent hate crimes and theft. I recommend re-instituting the Robo-Cop program.

These are the same people that fail to disclose to veiwers of msnbc that Al Sharpton has lost 2 civil lawsuits for fomenting hate and falsely accusing people of racial crimes. Or that Eric Holder and his justice department under Bill Clinton got fined over 17 million dollars for false discrimination lawsuits.

How, David Sohns, do you explain that remarkable coincidence?

what r we gonna do about all these punks and lazy other ones livin in the city..

now the mayor of Baltimore city is calling the comments made by mcdonough, racially charged.to me this just proves that this mayor knows its the black kids who are causing the problems.and if she cant see that, then Baltimore city needs a new mayor who will deal with what is,and not what she refuses to see in front of her face...the thing that's ticking me of is,im a blackman and i see it,why wont she
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she one of them that simple . she need their vote . we need to clean up . return the city to what it was .

wilson.. you are a sick pathetic man (or woman) i can only hope that one day you are laying on the side of the road near death from a heart attack, and reaching out for help... and every black person laughs in your face. Your comment about george zimmerman made me sick to my stomach...i weep for your children (god forbid you breed) and your parents, knowing they created this twisted excuse for a human being

What he said was true but for those who get offended - how about this - "Caution to all who visit downtown baltimore, there have been reports of young adult members - forming into mobs - terrorzing innocent visitors minding thier own business. The group can be described as non white - non asian - non native american - non hispanic. Thank you.

Oh and by the way - that putz OWEmalley making the snide comment that McDonough should visit the city sometime - when was the last frickin time Marty visited the city without security detail? Yeah - I rest my case.

Got to witness and diffuse yet another example of a fine group of five young lads harassing a young lady exiting a nail salon in Perry Hall this evening. They followed her into the parking lot and surrounded her car and dropped a series of degrading remarks and comments. She was absolutely terrified. They were dressed in white t-shirts and jeans that were hanging down so half do their ass was hanginging out. A couple of the "future senators" had their shirts rolled up - I guess they were showing off their ripped abs. I watched from my truck for a few seconds and then decided to get involved. Heck - all I did was walk up and stand next to the young lady and the boys decided to leave and go do their homework. See - I didn't have to mention any colors at all - bet you can fill in the blanks. If that was my daughter, you'd be hearing about me on the news committing hate crimes.

Sorry to be vague - it was a group of five foul mouthed disrespectful black young men (approx ag 16) who were sexually harassing an attractive white female (approx age 21) who was minding her own business and was bringing revenue to a local small business. I wonder if she will be back?

Funny - just noticed some headlines at wbal.com:
20 "youths" attack and rib a store owner - no color mentioned

First black graduate of naval academy dies - color IS the story

First African American director ... Again race IS the story.

Why is it okay to discuss race when it's a positive story?

By the way - how many generations removed from Africa does it take before you are just an "American" and not an "African American."

All of my grandparents came from Ireland. I'm only one generation removed from the old country and I don't refer to myself as "Irish American.". I don't know of an Itish history month and we don't have IET (equivalent of BET). My grandparents were treated like garbage when they got here and worked like slaves in the.marble quarries in Cockeysville for crap wages. Geez - I'm feeling like a victim now but I'm definitely not looking for handouts or excuses.

while our community leaders show there outrage over facts they dont want to face ,another smaller black mob of kids raid and steal items from a downn town store,in the middle of the day.and yes they were black.this is ,and has been a real problem for a while.i wonder what our community leaders,and city officials were doing while this problem was growing,and has now become a head.and will be a big problem this summer.im glad the congressman did not apoligize.its our black community leaders who need to face the facts,some of our black kids are bad,thugs and will hurt you if you speak out aganist them,and the color of your skin doesnt seem to matter to themthey want to get there way.they will beat you just because your an adult

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them leaders were home makin more of them thugs . it is gonna take big broom to clean up mess . all started with schafer and the inner harbor he built i think .

hey

There are laws designed to protect the public and they should be respected by the youths.If they don't, why not humiliate them by posting their names in the papers. If they are "adult" enough to do the crime bring it to the attention of the public and let their parents be humliated as well.Keeping their criminal activities out of the public knowledge only gives them more of an incentive to do more.I'm referring to crimes where guns are used or peoples lives are put at stake.When a person feels they are immune to prosecution why worry ?

I worked for a private school and helped kids in the inner city get a skill . Many times I worked overtime to get them financial aid to achieve their goals.These kids realized an education was the key to being independent .Unfortunately, pressure from the wrong people can steer them in the wrong direction.Some kids can be caught up in the moment and do stupid things.Being influenced by gang members can put a young persons life in danger as well as a danger to the public.Some young people in the Inner city have no direction other than to join a gang. The N.A.A.C.P has the
influence to gather funds. Use this influence to get funds from private enterprises in support of programs to educate the youth. As more young people join the work force it brings needed revenue to the city. Putting more police on patrol makes it safer to go downtown but it doesn't solve the gang problem. They'll just focus on another part of the city.

there have been seven shootings in Baltimore city on Thursday and they were not committed by anyone white.and now they have discovered that the 40 teens in yellow school shirts and khaki pants,robbed and assaulted the manager of 7-eleven store downtown.and the community leaders want a apology from McDonough.as each day passes what he said is proven more and more.not facing this problem is like pretending you don't have cancer,its not going away,and if left untreated,its going to get worst.i hope the police in Baltimore city are ready,because they are going to get really busy... http://innerharborviolencenightmaresonlightstreet.renthandy.com/

The truth of the matter Edward is that Baltimore has put all of its eggs into the grand prix basket. They are now covering up these crimes to prevent tourism losses and having the grand prix lose money once again. The 7-11 and baltimore police would not release the surveillance video to wjz, and the police had no comment. It makes it very easy for me. I do not spend any money downtown. When friends come from pennsylvania or virginia to visit we stay in the county and spend our money there. When they mention the aquarium, i tell them where it is located. Without ever living here they make comments about it not being safe. The reputation of baltimore as a downtown area to avoid crosses states lines. As these videos go viral the grand prix will be another loss. Who wants to come here and bring family and deal with black mobs and stabbings and shootings.

I'm just going to leave this here:

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/05/24/flash-mob-steals-from-baltimore-7-eleven-beats-store-manager-who-tries-to-stop-them/

I'm sure it was a racially diverse group of kids who did this.

you guys r right . stay away from them downton businesses . you culd get killed to . buncha punks down there .

one thing for sure it aint us degos LOL !! remember what happened during the MLK riots in Little italy ? I'll tell you, the Italians allgot out o the roof tops with thoer fire power,,,,,,,,,,, no rioters entered Little Italy

last night 7 shootings, 2 dead, over petty drug deals , wow, who hasnt experienced bad debts before? we dont go out and shoot at those who owe us money
dont Mitchell and Rawlings-Balke care about thier childrens future? or is it the city;s image they are protecting

those that did were veal the next day .

what the hell does boot legging in the south decades ago got to do with crime in Baltimore City today ? any one who references that as a comparison to todays violent drug traffickers must be in the iilegal drug business themselves come on man! bros are killing each other every day! wheres Warren Brown!? big mouth race hustler

i think it was just yesterday The news reported a flash mob of youths stormed a 7-11 on light street was it? ( some where down town) they robbed all they could wrecked the place,,,,,,,,,, the owner claimed he was missng 6 k in cash too let's see the video

under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey. This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president

A: Yes, by his own admission.
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> Q: What passport did he travel under?
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> A: There are only three possibilities.
> 1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
> 2) He traveled with a British passport, or
> 3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.
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> Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
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> A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.
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Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. If he were traveling with a British passport, that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport, that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.
Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people deserve to know

to wilson, I dont disagree with you on that. he may be trying to cash in on the flash mob incident,,,,,,,,,,, still the flash mob is criminal

"What will happen to "your town" when are tourism dries up, and more businesses close - will you go demanding money from those rich Middle River Folks? " Rare developemnt quote............... they will be looking ot be bailed out by the messiah
they dont care as long as whitey is gone, they dont care about their city, whwy do you think they tolerate corner drug dealers shhoitn people every day,, did I lie?

warren Brown was on the news saying "they are all up in arms when it happens in Roland Park ( street robberies) bu they dont care when it happens in sand town" ( that's a very close quote , correct me if I wrong Mr Brown) ok now,,,,,,,,, we are showing we do care about the violent crime in the innder city areas ( esp inner harbor) and look at the -re-action Del, Pat Mcdonough gets "YOU Racists!"
point is Warren Brown,,,,,,,,,, it happns every day in sand town( innere city areas in general) why are'ntose people who live in those nieghorhoods "up in arms" ? likie the people in Roland Park,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, read my comments again,,,,,,,,,, hyprocrits!

It's a sad state - it took 150 years for us to create an educational system where we finally made it an even playing field. We all know that education is the key to social mobility. Thurgood Marshall and WEB DuBois would be ashamed at what his race has devolved into - what a mess. It's a shame that those idiots running around like savages have no idea how many people put their ass on the Line just so they would have a chance to prove that they were just as intelligent as the white man.

Since Baltimore community leaders got all upset over remarks about black mob groups causing crime problems at the inner harbor,there have been,since Saturday 12 shootings and 4 killings in Baltimore city...oh yeah, and none of them were done by white teens,or white men.they were done by black teens,and black men
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once again a group of black teens attack a man at Hopkins plaza,and the police reporting person says this:It really wasn't all that serious," Guglielmi told WBAL News.and your counting on these police officials to keep you safe down town?
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how come with all those police officers down town,none of these teens were caught.with all those video cameras,no one was arrested.the people of Baltimore should be outraged,and afraid because they are next,or someone visiting the city is next
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i don't want a mayor that has no backbone,i want someone one like,McDonough,a man with good old fashion guts to be my mayor.i don't care if he is a republican,he saw a problem and is facing it head on,unlike blake,who is more conserned with how she looks,rather then protecting her tax payers
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It would be great if one of the victims whipped out a can of mace and sprayed the hell out of those animals. It would be fun to watch them rolling around on the ground. People who are doing this are sub-human and deserve any street justice that comes their way. Again - these crimes would never happen if we had open carry laws.

Got that pistol on your mind again, JD1. This town ain't big 'nuff for both of us.

Watch out for the guy with the gauge behind the wagon.

Such a pathetic fool...

It would seem that whites can't fix black problems and blacks can't fix white problems, so maybe we should all focus on individual problems that cause such a divide...that is ...if we really care about a solution or not.
Another pointless stale mate...

Get JD1 to take them out. Rootin', tootin' pistol packer, who brooks no mess.

If a group of white kids attack a black man, it's considered a hate crime. If a group of black kids attack a white guy in a suit on his way to work, its considered to be kids "acting out" because of a history of oppression. Can anyone explain? I believe that it is this dichotomy that fuels further racial tension.

Unfortunately, this ship cannot be turned around. This perpetual cycle created by these inner city kids just gets worse every generation. That is a fact. But this is America -- everyone has a choice. You can choose to not take advantage of the rights that the Civil Rights leaders fought for. But don't worry, the immigrants are taking advantage of the education system and these ghetto inner city kids will be serving me at Burger King with their ebonics language while I reap the benefits their forefathers worked so hard for. Such is life. Survival of the most intelligent. We will be building more prisons for these ghetto kids and that is all we can do

Unfortunately, the law-abiding (and hopefully soon, concealed carrying) citizens have to subsidize these retirement homes. But I'd rather have that than have these ebonic speaking parasites cramping my style.

With you 100%

Bust 'em, JD. You're the man! Got the big clip. Boyee!

one day a black man on th CB radio said to me "we tried" LOL! well the mayor;s not trying hard enough,,,,,,,,,,, let's try some one elses ideas

I feel one day we will need to put a 30 ft. fence around all of Baltimore City and have checkpoints. Like Palestine. Lol.

Unfortunately, this is not a laughing matter since that may be the only practical solution. Have you seen how these parasites act (and I went to the same Baltimore City public schools that they did)? They act worse than animals at the zoo. They can't even speak English correctly. In my opinion, we should naturalize the hard working illegal immigrants and send these ghetto birds to Afghanistan or North Korea or Juarez -- they're the ones wasting the tax payer money of law abiding and hard working Americans.

M. Practical Solution, you have about as much to do with anything in Baltimore as you do with anything in Palestine. You rolled out. Now, mind your own business.

You likely speak OK, but your writing limps along. Try "taxpayers' and law-abiding." But, this illustrates something. The biggest limitation on what anyone knows or learns is imposed by home training. There is not a dime's worth of difference otherwise between you, me and the people you describe as "ghetto birds" and "parasites."

Hey, JD1, you ole gunslinger, what do you think: little people kill people?

1ke - quite frankly I think you are an idiot. You offer no concrete solutions and no intelligent commentary. You are right, we do live in the city. My family made the choice to leave the pathology that was already festering years ago. I wouldn't even consider raising my kids there. This entire thread is about one man calling it like he sees it: criminal activity committed by some very sick people who happen to be black. Some call it racist - most here end everywhere disagree. Fixing the problem isn't up to me, it's up to the mayor and governor as chief executives to enforce the law. As they continue to fail, I'll continue to defend myself and my right to state the facts.

By the way Ronn - I like the fence idea!

JD1, people who mind their own business and use sound judgment in cities or anywhere else usually--but not always--live, safe, fairly comfortable lives. Pathology, as you term the consequences of the yawning gap between rich and poor in Amercia (wink, wink), is not isolated to cities, which have deteriorated to sub-third-world condition. Festering? Come on, pal. From what I am reading, that means that black people moved down the block from you or went "Boo!"--and, yes, the racist mindset that festered within your family carried couldn't hack it.

There are other pathologies out there, sir: materialistic anomie, drug and alcohol addiction, chronic depression. Funny how these little painful bumps in your Happy Valley Highway are aggravated by poverty, which is the same in West Virginia as it is in East Baltimore. Good luck to you and your family. I raised three boys to healthy adulthood in Baltimore and they are wiser and less judgmental, but none the worse for the experience.

You have called me an idiot on several occasions. Would you sauce it up a little? You don't exactly sound like a Nobel winner when you repeat the same insults. Pardner.

You have no clue about the struggles of folks trapped in a way of life that they want to escape.

If you are the person you claim to be and you bolted and headed for the hills. I see that as cowardice. If your forbears, bolted and headed for the hills you need to reclaim what was yours.

The suburban lifestyle is doomed and, if you are as smart as you claim to be, you know it in your core.

Truth never hurts and I respect the sauce. Frankly--and earnestly--you can keep your mainstream Fox News cant and keep it real. It is utter garbage.

I have great respect for your latest post. All coming from an idiot. Pilgrim.

I taught in his high school, ma'am. You know and most don't. You don't sound smug either--unlike the vast majority of posters. I appreciate your post.

How the newspapers and TV have misrepresented the efforts of the urban poor is nearly criminal.

With Paul Vallas, the predecessor of the current Secretary of Education and former CEO of the Philadelphia schools, hyping the New Orleans schools and the hedge funds hyping the DC charters, it is no wonder that you are convinced that everything is going well and that people actually do pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

Ike, I can point you to Cristo Rey Jesuit High School in Baltimore. You do not need to be Catholic to attend. Almost all students are poor BUT they have a goal to do better! Almost all students have won schlorships to attend college. I think it is easier to pull yourself up by your boostraps today, because there is more help. Inner city residents have to have the will and desire to escape their surroundings. Nothing is impossible if you want it bad enough. Instead, they use the copout of poverty as a crutch. If the inner city poor residents made positive choices in their lives, they would succeed. Nothing is going to convince me otherwise, because I have been in their shoes.

You, of course, understand how super-resourced Christo Rey is, how the competition for slots excludes many children and that the successes of its students are used as arguments that damn those who didn't make the cut.

Why is this kind of super-resourcing not part of public policy? I mean, we sometimes spend tens of thousands of dollars to treat lesions smaller than a thumbnail.

Some folks here even call the circumstances of the urban poor pathological, call it cancer--and then begrudge treatment.

I have no beef with you, ParkvilleHoney.

No one is questioning the existence of sociopaths. Additionally, I don't think a reasonable person could view crime and systemic violence as anything but the residue of poverty.

Are you going to back off your former extreme vitriol now and talk about "SOME low-life scum"? Not fences. No robocops. No menu of sidewalk sandwiches. Not armed to the teeth and loaded for bear.

In that case, I have no quarrel with you either.

Otherwise, it's me and you at High Noon.

We've looked at the fallacies in previous posts underlying your citation of the fictive Detroit funds and funding levels of US schools. In the state of Maryland, charter school employees are unionized.

You want to do away with due process?

What about blowing people up with drones? Cultural norm? You know you are painting with a push broom here.

Actually, I think business needs to be run more like government. But can we dispense with that inflammatory item for now? I can hear it now, " Oh, you're a communist!" and "EWWW, a liberal!". Fox News lapdogs.

Schools do not produce anything. People are not widgets or cars, circuit boards or vats of polymers. School grow people. They finish what families start and what communities cultivate. You are asking too much of schools. At the very least you are regarding schools and an education as commodities. They are not commodities.

There is no unambiguous evidence that charter schools do a better job than public schools. There is no fast and true evidence that an outsourced teaching workforce is better than a unionized one.

Schools do not work so well these days, I'll grant you. The pursuit of a solution is a far more complicated venture. We could work on this here on Patch, if anyone is interested.

1ke - not sure about businesses being run like govt but definitely agree with you regarding schools. Charters can churn the status quo just like the public schools. There are a ton of "non-profits" and "foundations" cashing in by partnering with some of these charters. Lots of folks are making big bucks while trying to "support" charter schools. Unfortunately there aren't many successful models out there that are working with truly at-risk kids and making any real progress. We need real alternative schools and we need to stop worshiping the holy testing and accountability systems. They don't work and folks can spin the data any way they want. I love models that look nothing like a traditional setting and involve kids in engaging and authentic learning. It's possible to lure kids away from the street, but not with any traditional models or so-called charters that hand pick kids so they look good.

I want to see the feedback, JD1. You are on the money, in my view, and I want to know more about what you see as effective and actionable. I have had some valuable experiences in this vein and want to know what other people are interested in. Using the existing--though weak--charter school laws to create new schools that really work is a real possibility. That you tutored is a powerful inducement.

Thanks for not hating me any more.

I want to thank the last few posters to the Patch. I have enjoyed reading your thoughtful and provocative posts. I feel there could be a solution with defaming or sarcastic posts. Thank you all!!

At issue, too, is the big question: do we through our schools, communities and families raise our children to be producers or consumers?

Obviously, the world is full of producers--in Indonesia, in China, in India--who consume very little. Who is buying all of the products?

what is wrong with this mayor. Rawlings Blake is telling people that the inner harbor is safe,because they locked up a few people...problem, they didn't lock up any black juveniles who are the ones causing the problems,not even the ones they have on video tape robbing the 7-eleven store and assaulting the clerk.or the black teens who assaulted a guy at Hopkins plaza..what is wrong with her...the problem is still out there
http://innerharborviolencenightmaresonlightstreet.renthandy.com/

As a former resident of Bel Air, let me give you guys a heads up. The video on you tube is out there and everyone already knows that Del McDonough is speaking the truth. Baltimore is no different than Detroit, Camden NJ, Philly or Chicago.
Now do something abut it..... if you care.

the city leaders care about nothing but perpetuating their existance, through votes from the drains on society, as we pay for it all. Shaun should relocate to SW Baltimore, with his Peace Pipe, singing Kumbaya. Meanwhile, I''ll spend my money someplace else, while the Federal Government continues to support these sore holes with more government handouts to the "parents" of the perpetrators.

Black people have a very good reason to mistrust & be suspicious of Whites? Really? Yes, poverty...(let's go the next step.) Why poverty? A legacy of...(go ahead...reach for it...) Slavery, Jim Crow, and unequal starting points & opportunities!
Is that so hard to swallow? Apparently.
Do you people who 'fear' for your lives by roving bands of black kids downtown realize that: 63.4% of the city (and don't you perry hall nimby's EVER call it yours) is Black, and this year 10/196 homicides so far involved Whites? So (let's do the math, PHHS probably taught it to the Whites...) 5.1% of murder victims were White. 36.7% of the population here is White.
ARE YOU DAFT? You have to A) Do drugs B) Sell drugs or C) Tell police about A &/or B to be killed. This society POSIONS it's minority youth.
Kids are jerks, everywhere. Social media/ technology is a big player these days.
Check your terminology, check your privilege, and check your internal biases (we ALL have them. Yes, even YOU)
And stay FAR away from my city, please, at least until you can look at people and see humans.. Your ticky-tacky houses don't resonate here.

Very few people here are going to listen, Anita. First, they are only vaguely interested in the city since their racist forbears fled in fear. Second, they flee in fear since what is in their hearts shines through and they walk around as targets for disrespect. Third, ummm....this is a dead thread.

I like your perspective. Jump in on one of the live threads.