Somebody had to splain (sic) to me why the whole auditorium stood up when someone spoke out against the Segram's zoning proposal. They didn't want it. Now why couldn't I figure that out.

But I did find a secret video tape that tells the story of what happened to Mr. Vontran's permits to demolish the North Pole, I mean Seagram's. One of his supporters said they were mailed out last week. The secrete tape obtained by this blogger tells a different story.

The tape also talks about fires, code tickets and money.

Now remember to watch it long enough (3 min. 17 sec.) to see the train station and it will lay out the details on the paper work trail.

When watching this secret tape watch for the photo of the train station and in there if you take a close look you'll see the permits for demolition of the buildings flying around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRG_A2Dr_Uk

I literally laughed several times. "Don't tear down the government center because that is where sweet adelines practice." "Don't tear down Seagram's because I've been looking out my window at that water tower for 60 years." "The soil samples were not deep enough since they'd dumped dirt on the site." Then there was the Scarfield recording...twice... I wonder if the when the council members left, they even took it/us seriously; and for good reason.

Matthew, maybe you won't laugh when you read the PDF file from my blog on the DunLogan Community meeting. It concerns your friend Mr. Vontran.

Read the county's Agreement of Sale - Page 4, a) through i) - and that might bring some tears to your eyes. I say that because you know Mr. Vontran well enough.

http://dundalk.patch.com/blog_posts/seagrams-government-center-dominate-dunlogan-meeting

Interesting document isn't it. Mr. Vontran meet those qualifications? I like the one about - good standing. As for Mr. Scarfield read his remarks about Mr. Vontran in this published piece.

http://citypaper.com/news/cashed-out-1.1070788

Here's an interesting quote from the article. If you want I can send you a copy of the court case and you can read all the gory details.

"It was brought by Frank Scarfield, a longtime Baltimore-area real estate developer and investor, who alleges Vontran engaged in fraud and false pretenses in setting up the financing to purchase from Baltimore County the Yorkway property that is now actively being developed. That case is scheduled for trial next June."

Interesting Mr. Beeker. Since you are such the champion of disclosure and transparency, why don't you post your own employment record in a "Full Disclosure" blog. Yes, I'd be afraid for that to come to light too if I were you. Remember those pictures of you with a beard? I do. Your past is your future.

If I don’t cut my grass and the county code enforcement can come in and have someone do it for me then they can place a lien on my property. Now we have Mr. Vontran’s property that sits vacant with high grass, full of rats, an eye sore, unsecure and a very dangerous for people and public safety workers and what’s being done? Is he being protected my Johnny?

So, the plan that I heard is that site is to have 3 assisted living buildings there, am indoor soccer field and a new police precinct. The Merritt bl. property is to get a Target, a Lowes, 4 national/regional resturants and a small office building to accomodate those still in the current govt. center. I would hate to see this owner profit ( again) from the county. He is so protected by a close circle of friends in county government. Of course Mr Crizer wants to see this land developed, it will give him many more customers for his new bar he just opened.

I agree with the comment about "Don't take away the government center because that is where the Sweet Adelines practice." Why not? We are a small community with very little enrichment. Here few people take the time to enrich it with "The sky is the Limit" The Sweet Adelines" The Parks and Recs programs. My daughter is joining the theater camp this summer. We have not gone before this year mainly due to finances and age. We need to keep the Government center there along with the police station..MOSTLY though because of the Abilities Network. I have a daughter with a disability. Nothing has been said where these adults will be relocated. This is accessible and a good place for them, It is not fair they are not thought of in these plans. AND who wants big box stores backing up to Grange Elementary and Those homes? Homes that generations have taken years to keep up. AND the fireworks. Where will they go? Put Target on North Point Road near Burger King.. Isn't it already zoned for it?

Nobody is talking about a depresses Dundalk getting even more depressed. Or how a new police station will never get built by the county. Or how the talk in the comments was politics and personal opinions of individuals. This is just about rezoning land. And how long have been waiting for someone to do something but talk. Perhaps it this developer 4 years to find out would be willing to set up shop here and what the goveronment wanted in exchange.

I’m truly split on this if it would happen. Dundalk needs something to attract more working middle class families. The Pawn shops, cigarette stores and Bail bond shops are not attracting them at all. But with the larger chain store and restaurants comes traffic. Merritt Blvd sucks anymore and I could not imagine what it would be like with the additional shopping. I guess if it bring quality people to our community and change the direction of Dundalk then Im all for it, might have to change my direction of travel to stay off of Merritt Blvd.

The North Point Government Center site is a well-used recreation site.
Why would anyone with good sense want to take this place away from the thousands
of kids who play there? Sollers Point Road is a long walk from Eastfield, Westfield,
West Inverness, and Stanbrook.

PS-To the author...glad you found time to mention the connections of some of the people who spoke; zero mention of anything related to Karen Cruz or Donna Sekora and who they are/were in connected with. Why so one-sided in your reporting? Your bias is quite clear.

This wasn't meant to be an objective report of the meeting was it? Why not editorialize on all fronts while you're at it? Did Buzz write this for you?

Matthew, you make a comment and can't even keep track of what you write as in this quote: "I literally laughed several times. "Don't tear down the government center because that is where sweet adelines practice." "Don't tear down Seagram's because I've been looking out my window at that water tower for 60 years." "The soil samples were not deep enough since they'd dumped dirt on the site." Then there was the Scarfield recording...twice.."

In order for you to know that you would have had to be there my friend.

What grade level did you make it through?

The comments you made and what made you laugh were not in the article, so how could you know of those issues?

As far as your reference to me knowing Scarfield, I have never even see the man. I was quoting him in a article published news stroy in the City Paper.

I can't believe the intellectual level of some of you people.

You were a police officer? And you seriously can't figure out from what I said that I was there? When you post a disparaging quote from a slimeball, you get in bed with that slimeball. You don't want to be associated with Frank Scarfield, don't give what he says any validity by posting it/links to it.

I made it through a grade that you never attempted. They taught me to proof what I put my name on. What is a stroy? You "have never even see the man."

I can't believe the intellectual level of some of you people.

If you weren't there than why did those comments that weren't known to the general public make you laugh? Why would you laugh at something you would have had no knowledge of? You have no creditability. Your are a pseudonym. (you may have to look that up).

This is a story, news article, piece, or whatever you want to call it. I call it a link. Something you obviously can't or did not read.

http://citypaper.com/news/cashed-out-1.1070788

Click on it (put mouse on highlighted blue and press) then read it.

A man who made it to what grade level using comments like,"When you post a disparaging quote from a slimeball, you get in bed with that slimeball." (sic) That means I quoted your spelling mistakes the way your wrote them and those comments would seem to discredit your educational prowess. (you may have to look up that one also).

An Agreement of Sale is a county contract. I don't see any credentials next to your pseudonym.

Night after night he pecks away. Alone in his room again. Hatred so consuming, few can stand to be near. Reality evading nearly every thought, he pecks away, alone in his room again. In dementia or death he may find peace, only to be remembered for a legacy of despair and darkness. Sad dog. Mom remembers ........ so do I.

Says another mental pygmy.

C'mon Buzz, lets see the PDF's of your settlement agreement, pension and drop. And tell everyone the real reason you cannot go on County property without an escort. BTW, your face, was on the beard, not the other way around. Dementia kicking in already?

Thank you MIke. ArcAngel, interesting comment. "Mental Pygmy", you say. Let us take a look at your comment you posted and see where the shortcomings lie in the gray matter department.

A mental pygmy? This is one of your comments.

"Interesting Mr. Beeker. Since you are such the champion of disclosure and transparency, why don't you post your own employment record in a "Full Disclosure" blog. Yes, I'd be afraid for that to come to light too if I were you. Remember those pictures of you with a beard? I do. Your past is your future."

First you can't even get my name right. It's not that severe of a mental task for you is it? Second I have never had or worn a beard and after that rather strange dissertation I think you rather flatter yourself, I'm just not sure what area your are taking your accolades for. That is unless you fell of the cloud in the sky or wherever you come from.

Lets talk about your ravings on transparency. What and who is an ArcAngel who talks riddles. There is a medical name for that and it comes after your use of the word "mental."

The rest of your comments I would suggest you consult a middle school English teacher.

Vontran for President!

de.neilson, you worked at Eastpoint for 15 years and called it a "hell hole", and my remarks offend you.

I'm sure you would just sit there and take it with uttering a word wouldn't you?

Buzzy, there is no need for Mr Vontran to pay me a dime for that statement. The world needs more people like Mr. Vontran. Dundalk is the blight of Baltimore County. The housing is old, a majority of the housing has turned into rental properties that are housing section 8 tenants, you can not walk through "Old Dundalk" without being harassed by people who are less fortunate than I am and let's not even begin talking about the horrendous drug and theft problems.. Mr. Vontran is putting the community of Dundalk first and people are failing to realize that. The revenue and jobs that would become available with his plan would benefit the community. Mr. Vontran if you read this please know that myself and many more support you!

Tom, thanks. I only write what I believe to and research too be the truth. I spend more time on this (since retired, (by force) than I did when I actually worked as a journalist.

Let me say this. First it is my opinion that this whole issue is about zoning. Anything beyond that is a smoke screen and here is why. Once the property is rezoned it becomes valuable for development to the highest bidder. Mr. Vontran doesn't have to do a thing.

Stop and think for a moment. In order to due business with the county as a developer you must meet certain qualifications. The project must go out on a bid. If there is a new GC built on the Segrram's property who manages the other half of the proposal - the county? I don't think so. Segram's is bordering on foreclosure by the bank. Read Arthur Hirsch's work. It's solid.

There are no box stores coming to Dundalk, period. I spent hours on the phone with companies. We are not even on the radar screen. Box stores are closing all across the country at a rapid pace.

The zoning change is where the money is.

Read this link for some more insight into this issue on the impetus behind this deal.

http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?p=4440286

Remember the only issue for Vontran is the value of the propety which is a big zip-o right now. And also remember he is is the keeper of the property.

Really? "I go onto county property all the time". Yet in another recent post he says, "They made me feel like a criminal after 39 years. I had to sign a order not to come onto county property without an escort". He also says in another post, "I went to the ground with a cardiac arrest in the line of duty". Another fantasy from the revisionist buzzard. Tell the truth Buzz. It was a fit of your own road rage that put you down, then out. The psych squad decided you were a liability. Then you were done.

Dementia thy name is buzz beeler. (not capped intentionally)

Arc you seem to construe issues without all the facts or the significant details of the facts.

You make a fool of yourself. I'll take on at a time. I attend community meetings on county property many times. I visit police facilities when blogging on a topic like the PCRC Council at North Point.

Yep, I dd feel like a criminal during that period. Why do you think the Feds are investigating the county over the similar issues like mine.

Fantasy, about the line of duty issue? Not according to the judge in the case or my sick time records which were converted to line of duty injury after his ruling.

By the way I know who you are. I wasn't born yesterday It won't take long to do what I may have to do if you lose control of yourself again. Use as many names as you want, it doesn't make a difference. You left your prints a long time ago to quite a few people remember?

Now show me where the ""psych squad" had anything to do with this matter? Read the case file and you see he truth.

An intellectually challenged fallen angel at that.

Mike,
As much as I agree with you about the kids there are plenty of other parks and fields to be used. Merritt Park (lighted), Chesterwood Park (lighted) DCC (lighted) Logan, Dundalk Midde, West Inverness Park, Grange, Little lot off of Searles, Stansbury Park, Patapsco High ,St Helena Park, Dundalk High, Park on Woodwell, Stricker (lighted) as well as many others. If parents have to drive their kids an extra mile for practice of a game then it is what it is. Maybe it might get the parents more involved with their kids and the Rec Councils. The biggest Rec Council hit will be Eastfield but somehow something could be done to sweeten the deal for them as well.

If done properly this could be a bonus for Dundalk, I would like to see full transparency to the public with every detail spelled out. I know I complain along with others about the increased number of section 8 and rentals here in Dundalk. Maybe this is a chance for Dundalk to grow in a positive way and bring back the working class families. Maybe if this goes through then Dundalk and Logan shopping centers could be next for a total overhaul.

Mr. Vontran should be required to clean up all the contaminants on his property before he gets a zoning change. This backwards process could make it easier
to expose residents to some bad stuff!

Mr. Thompson, a well articulated statement. You made some valid points.

Herein lies the problem. The lack of housing options for who? The middle class? What happens to the home values when you destabilize the area? Do your research.

The rat issue is the fault of the county failing to adequately address it. We had shopping centers, two of them. Where are they now?

I think you miss the point. Mr. Vontran does not have millions of dollars to invest in anything. The benefit for him is in the zoning. Then the property has value. He can sell it to the highest bidder and the better options on the zoning the more value.

How did Vontran improve the community. The gazebo! At $22 million that is one heck of a special attraction. Yorkway is far from being complete and there is already a house up for sale down there.

I think you're a bit smarter than that, or at least I hope so.

Sorry to burst your bubble there is some news coming out today on the Seagram's issue. By the way that property could be foreclosed on.

Eastsider- The parks you mentioned cannot replace the fields found at the North Point Government Center. Kids would just have fewer places to play....and that's wrong! Many walk to the fields. You can't sweeten a deal with Eastfield when there is nothing good in the pot.

Mike I’m still not sold on the entire idea 100% but some of the pros are out weighing the cons for me. Yes the playing fields are being lost but as I mentioned many other parks to utilize. Will it be an inconvenience for some parents, YES but they are the parent that sends their kids off to practice and games while they sit home and not participate with the programs. Looking at the overview of the land Eastfield will be losing 4 baseball diamonds, 2 or 3 soccer fields and the indoor areas. All the indoor areas where part of the rebuild plan if I wasn’t mistaken. I’m looking at the big picture of our community and bring it back to what it once was. Hopefully you grew up here and experienced what it once was.

Eastsider- The fields in the other parks are not the same type of fields. If the Government Center is redeveloped with stores, there will be a net loss of playing
fields in Dundalk. Kids come from all over to play there. If you have good
memories of playing sports, why support a project that would take these opportunities from kids?

John,
If correct it sounds like you and Mike are part of the Eastfield Rec Council and want to protect what is yours. I understand what you are saying but you are looking at a small piece of the pie. As you want to protect your rec council I want to see my community grow instead of the decline it has been in for many years. I have played sports on every single property Baltimore County owns on the Eastside and there is plenty of land for these kids to play on as I stated in a prevous post.

Eastsider- You have reached some very wrong conclusions....and check your
facts about fields. Where is there plenty of land? The big losers would be children
not adults leading a rec program. Dundalk won't have a future if people
continue to leave the area because it's no longer a great place to raise kids.

Lets see no parks of fields for the kids.
Schools
• Dundalk Elementary
• Dundalk Middle
• Logan
• Norwood
• Holabird Middle
• Dundalk Sr
• DCC
• Grange
• Sandy Plains
• Patapsco
• Bear Creek
• Stricker
• Eastwood Elementary
• Berkshire Elementary
• Colgate Elementary
Fields
• Fleming Park
• New Tuner Station Community Center Park
• Watersedge Park
• Concrete Homes Park
• St. Helena Park
• Chesterwood Park
• Stansbury Park
• Inverness Park
• Colgate Park
• West Woodwell Park
• Merritt Point Park
• Ball fields on Delvale Ave
Indoor
• SERRC
• West Inverness
• Watersedge
• Turner Station
• Fleming Center
• Plus schools have indoor gyms

John and Eastsider, the point is now moot. The concept in no longer in the hopper. It's over. There will be no development. The focus will be on the zoning which will increase the value of Seagram's for private development.

Tell the truth Buzz. It was a fit of your own road rage that put you down, then out. You're funny. "Blah, blah, blah", "records which were converted to line of duty injury after his (the Judges) ruling." The FACT is he was NOT on duty when he had his heart attack and he LIES about it. LIES!!! He wouldn't know the truth if it punched him in his puss.

Confident he knows and sees, hacks akin, he pecks away. Lonely, loathing, loathed. Know him ..... his name is despair. So sad.

Buzz, always so butt hurt. Why do you feel the need to be so negative Buzz? Of your over 1 million posts, I have yet to see a post that wasn't negative, with numerous grammatical errors. Andy Rooney would roll over in his grave if he knew you were dropping his name to promote your horrible writings.

I've often seen you at community meetings, wearing shirts you have no business wearing, and you never say anything publicly. Why Buzz? Are you so butt hurt that you have to stay in your room? You hide behind your "blog" and point to other articles written by people who can articulate a thought?

What was the last article written about Buzz "butt-hurt" Beeler? There isn't any. That's because you are like a stage four cancer tumor on the community, eating away at anything positive.

If you want to be butt hurt all the time, that's fine, but do it at a place where people like you. I'm not sure if this place exists, but hey, if you drive far enough away from Baltimore County you might find it :)

There is alot of off topic talk and finger pointing in the comments. The simple truth is, there will be, if not a property swap, a property pruchase. Seagrams will have a new Police station with a k-9 kennel, an indoor soccer field, senior housing and a new turf outdoor soccer/football/baseball field. That is why it needs to be re-zoned. The PUD process is all but complete and the plans have been drawn. Poeple, don't be so gullible!

As far as the existing Government Center...The same thing. The PUD process is done and the plans are drawn. It will have a 125,000 square feet Target, an 80,000 square feet Lowes, several resturants and a small office building. So much for the Dundalk Fireworks. They sure won't have them on a multi million dollar turf field!

And the owner of Seagrams ( which cost him $2 million) is not the upstanding citizen some think he is. He has been skirting the law since he has been doing business in Dundalk. The failed Yorkway project is just the tip of the iceberg. He has ben hiding behind the EPA as an excuse for not cleaning um the Seagrams property. He is not going through a "voluntary" cleanup. He was evicted from his office on Eastern Ave and now has a new office across the street from his friend's bar. Sure Mr Crizer is backing the re-zoning of Seagrams, he has a new bar across the street...it will be GREAT for business.

I can go on but I will stop here and let you do your research. Come on people, open your eyes!

Folks, I have closed the comments on this story. The comments have begun to fall into name-calling, personal attacks and have strayed far from the subject of the article. — Marge Neal