Wow, another stabbing in Dundalk. It's not even shocking anymore. People say these kind of things always went on, you just didn't know about them. I say to that BS! When you used to walk around your neighborhood and feel safe and now you won't even walk up the block well it's not hard to figure out. Dundalk is NOT what it used to be.

My neighbor said when I moved into the area,its very safe that peopel leave their doors and windows opened.I read Dundalk blogs,I see that its not all safe. I keep doors locxked at all times and windows locked too. Soon Ill have to invest in a security system.Lets not make Dundalk into Baltimore City

Dundalk has become Baltimore City extended. I can say Dundalk still has pockets of good neighborhoods but don't know how much longer they will hold on. Just this weekend Dundalk has had a multi stabbing and a drive by shooting. Wake up politicians get control of this mess before it kills a great community.

Not only politicians have to wake up,but police officers too.I usually see an officer at a gas station palying lottery scratch offs for hours at a time

Freddy, just remember we've had the same politicians in office for the past twenty years or so which leads me to believe that they are, in fact, part of the problem.

Part, they are the entire problem. Not once have our local politicians try to stop the vast number of section 8 or housing assisted homes in our community. Nor have they fought to limit the number of MTA buses in our community. These two items coincide with each other which equals to declining neighborhoods. If you limit these two items you could reduce the crime rate in our area and would help to rebuild troubled areas.

How about we stop blaming politicians and police and start looking in the mirror.! If you are raising your children correctly and you know right from wrong then there shouldn't be a problem!! Yes this world is screwed up with lazyoverpaid politicians and tired burnt out police but it all starts at home. You can either be the problem or part of the solution.

Suz,

I looked in the mirror and my kids came out ok. All work being a productive member of society.
In a perfect world parents do teach right from wrong but in today’s society were tugs are reproducing quicker then rabbits and their off spring emulates the parents there lays the issue. I’m not saying in a perfect home where you have two loving parents you can’t have a trouble maker because you do. But a child growing up in the system of entitlements and having one or at times no parents these are the ones that causes the issues.
Politicians can change a community if they put forth the effort. Again limit the number of these types of rentals properties, limit the number of public transportation, instead of just handing out entitlements make them work for it somehow, educate these people to stop the generation after generation on these programs and make them a productive part of society, force them to take drug testing if collecting assistance. Things like this could change some communities back to great communities again.

VIolence seems to be the answer to everything these days, next to greed. Some one looks at you the wrong way:stab them or shoot them. Don't want their babies anymore.Kill them. Hide them in the woods or a dumpster.Breaking in to peoples homes and stealing tehir hard earned stuff when the crooks are too lazy to come under ones authority. So many abuse the system for food stamps/unemployment and etc. Get a job. One might feel better earning what they want. STop feeling sorry for yourselves. Either be pitiful or powerful,but cant be both. Dont let your past predict your future.Put down the handguns/knives and other weapons.Im tired of seeing violence all over the news,let alone it being in my neighborhood.

Times have surly changed.. There are so many wana be thugsand gang bangers out there it is pathetic.. The days of a fist fight are long gone, rather use the pussy gun or knife.. But they are just a product of the environment.. Agreed the cops need to stop pulling people over for tinted windows, petty things, seriously be a cop, look for things.. Section 8 is another thing that needs to be done away with, it does nothing but bring crudy people into a good place.. Not that I am better then the next guy, but we all know what I am talking about..

Hi John do you know what you will have without section 8 housing helping people into homes especially the price that people want for housing? More rats n mice vacant homes for sale. And people are already complaining about homeless, there will be more homeless to put up with.

People in Dundalk do not want to get involved in what? There r people who have lived in Dundalk for 40 years or more. All we want is to be safe, not be victims of criminals, enjoy our property and live our lives. Tell me some things that you can get involved in to make it a better place to live. You can't change people. They are who they are.

I guess we will agree to disagree there Allen. I grew up in Dundalk my entire life and the days of unlocked doors, leaving your bike lying in the front yard or car windows down are long gone. Areas of Dundalk have become a cesspool WHY because all the reason I have listed in past post. Sorry you don’t agree with me but I am entitled to my opinion as you are. For an educated man being out of work for so long says one thing to me, you don’t want to work or your being too picky of what job or salary you want so you choose to live off the taxpayer. And I think the same for your buddy that sleeps on the street as well. As far as section 8 housing or assisted housing whatever you want to call it do your research hundreds of homes all over Dundalk. Do a search on the web for available section 8 home in Dundalk you will find a list of them. Then there is the other kicker what these landlords get for these homes is ridiculous another waste of my tax dollars. AGAIN THE DEMISE OF DUNDALK IS SECTION 8 AND THE MTA.

You would think with all the family and friends that are public and elected officials, the cleintal would be better. Just hope Minnick's remains a peaceful little neighborhood bar.

I refer you to a few months ago when the owners of the Riverwatch in Essex had a similar altercation on their parking lot and they were brought before the liquor board. Will it be the same for this case, I think not.

The Riverwatch had numerous issues..not just one.

Yes George, you will see and if you are very careful, you just might find out that no one is above the Law.
One cannot control what one may do at any given time or place. So I do not get your point. If they were to be found guilty, will you be satisfied or will you like so many others say {OH, they are connected that all" The facts are the facts and chicken parts is chicken parts.

What is happening to Dundalk is and has been happening across Baltimore County.

It is cause and effect. There is a direct correlation between the influx of Section 8 and the destabilizing of the particular community. Just as this link reveals, law enforcement can plot the impact of this movement.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2008/06/21/section-8-vouchers-crime-correlated-expect-media-indifference

Not all those who rely on MTO (Move to Opportunity/Section 8) are contributing to the destabilizing problem but the numbers don't lie.

When the middle class begins its exodus the "Broken Window" phenomenon begins. The tax revenue is decreased and the additional strain on the SS budgets increases.

When those of the middle class wishing to exit can't sell their homes they rent them out. The Sun wrote on this issue extensively regarding the Berkshire area of Dundalk.

This type of violence is bad for business for the Sea Horse. The political connections are well know and this type of attention can have political ramifications.

If you doubt the numbers, look at the crime rates in large urban areas and compare them to the surrounding suburbs, e.g. Baltimore City's homicide rate vs Baltimore County's.

All the BS about politicians and welfare and Section 8 is just that... B.S.. I happen to frequent the Sea Horse almost every Friday (and have for years now) to sing karaoke. Since I've been 21 (and I am now 29), I've never witnessed a fist fight, let alone a stabbing, on a Friday night. It's really not the Sea Horse, the staff, the managment, the location, or the police and politicians who patronize the bar. It's the CROWD of Dundalkians who gather there. Friday night is a different scene than Saturday. Friday is when the 'adults' come out to relax. Saturday is when the 'kids' come out to play (which is precisely why I don't attend on Saturday, but yes, I've witnessed this first hand). If the parents of Dundalk would stop pointing fingers at everyone else, the poor, the blacks, the section 8, the entitled, the cops, the politicians, etc., etc., and start raising their kids to NOT STAB STRANGERS in a BAR, maybe this 'Dundalk Problem' (not 'Sea Horse' problem) would get a little better... Just my opinion.

Airin V very well stated.

Your last sentence is so true. I don't know what goes on at the Sea Horse but I sure agree that it's the parents job to raise their children the right way. OMG have you heard how these children speak. Sit on your porch and listen to them as they go by. They have no respect for ANYTHING. Not for themselves, other people, other peoples property. They throw their trash on the ground. Lynch Road looks like a big garbage can. Look at some of the yards. And then try to call someone to get them to clean it up. Good Luck. Join some groups. Please let me know what any of these groups have done so far. And I mean to lessen the crime, clean up the neighborhoods and make Dundalk a better place to live because obviously it's not working. We are all aware of the problems but nothing is done about them.

It's a subject that has been studied ad nausem. There is absolutely no correlation between Section 8 housing and crime.

Hanna Rosin's "study" was discredited years ago. Buller knows that but he keeps trying to throw it out there.

its the city politicions. Build another high rise for those fuckers before you knock there old one down. Instead they knock the high rises down and send that no good trash to dundalk to reuine our nice neighborhoods. And try to clean up the city. I say make turner station alittle bigger and fence that trash in and let them kill thereselves!!! Don't even bother policeing it

Wow! Crazy I go up there with my aunt and my uncle and my mom and my brothers and sisters and counsins that is right near my house scary never thought that would happen I found when I was coming home skateland and the streets were all blocked off and the cops were every where glad I was not up there I hope everyone is doing good im very scared and I wonder who it started amd why that happen????

This appeared in the Wall Street Journal this summer. It's a very interesting read on the the effects of Section 8 housing on various aspects of society.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903520204576480542593887906.html

That's a Murdoch smear Obama piece. The numerous independent studies that have been conducted don't agree.
I don't think the people understand the difference between Section 8 and low cost housing. Don't blame Section 8, blame the Slumlords many of whom used to live there and moved away but still rent the house out to anybody that will pay the rent

I thought people went to trial no trail.

The people are to blame. They keep voting the same people in office that have done nothing. You will never have a solution so long as the people voted in office to take care of these problems are not held accountable. You can deny that section 8 isn't a huge part of the problem but the facts are there for everyone to see. Who are the people that have given us section 8? The parents? The slumlords? No it's your worthless good for nothing elected officials and I include every single one of them. I don't care if it's Minnick, Stone or whomever they are all responsible for the demise of each and every part of this country that is being ruined by people that live off the handout.

Stop being stupid when you vote. Pick the right person. Do not pick D because you are a registered Democrat, or R just because you are a registered Republican. Vote for the BEST person for the job. Get these bums out of office and let them get real jobs.

Section 8 Housing Subsidies have been around since 1938. Yorkway was Section 8 in the mid -40's.

If there is no correlation between the two issues then why is the crime rate, or more specifically the murder rate in the city so much higher than the county.

Why is the unemployment almost 17% in the city and 70% of the children have no father.

You claim that there is no impact on Section 8 and crime, what are your credentials in the area of law enforcement to make such an assumption.

Your link is left winged and it's biased on this subject.

I guess you think you are more knowledgeable than my PROFESSOR friend at JHU who studies these issues.

Which one of your six alleged college degrees you claim to have are related to this topic.

Maybe you can explain the difference in the crime rates between the city and the county.

It is amazing that every piece of evidence presented to you is either racist or a smear.

You refuse to comprehend the ATF gun scandal, or the Solyndra gaff and now looming on the horizon is another Obama bright idea, $1.2 billion Sun Power deal.
At a cost of $1.2 billion the company created a total of 15 jobs. Let's see that is $80 million per job. What makes this even worse is Obama spent our tax dollars on this company after its stock dropped 95%.

The problem with establishing any meaningful correlation here is the presence of a multitude of variables; none of which can be isolated. A scientific study on the casaul relationship "can't" exist in the purist sense. That said, Robert, I would be interested to see the journal(s) that discredit the Rosin study. It is rather well-regarded in academic circles, though as I've said, it clearly has it's limitations due to the nature of the subject matter/number of variables.

Regarding the the Sea Horse: I wish them luck, they deserve better than this. That place was a rat hole 15 years ago. Lionel and Ed built a business based on common sense and a loyal customer base. You can't control every bad decision your patrons may or may not make. We are lucky to have this spot in our backyard.

Buzz, You are a Retard.

Wow really all people need to grow up and be responsible everywhere. This kind of stuff happens everywhere and I don't care what kind of housing issues they live in still happens in non section 8 areas as well. It's not how kids are raised. You could be the best parent in the world and your child could grow up to be a loser. I believe once you are old enough to know better then shame on you. There is a time in your life when you should know right from wrong. It's a shame that the drug addicts and criminals everywhere are allowed to keep doing what they do. I believe if you harm or kill someone intentionally then you should suffer the same way.