Proponents of a same-sex marriage bill could be looking in Baltimore County—specifically in Dundalk—for a vote needed to get the legislation passed this year.
State House observers say Del. John Olszewski Jr. may be close to a decision to vote for the bill this year.
Dels. Joseph "Sonny" Minnick and Mike Weir Jr. said Wednesday that they have not changed their opinion on the bill which was voted out of the House Health and Government Operations and Judiciary Committees Tuesday night.
A vote on the bill was delayed in the House Wednesday morning signalling that supporters are still a few votes short.
"You'll have to talk to someone else because Del. Weir and I remain opposed," said Minnick.
Last year Olszewski said was was opposed to the bill because it lacked protections for churches and religious organizations.
Gov. Martin O'Malley said his bill to legalize same-sex marriage now contains adequate protections for religious institutions who do not wish to perform the ceremonies.
Olszewski declined to comment Wednesday morning when asked if his position on same-sex marriage had changed.
A preliminary vote on the bill could come as early as Thursday.
Buzz Beeler
1:29 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
I received a call from an irate voter who stated he contacted Del. Olszewski's office and spoke to a legislative aid and when confronted the staffer stated that the Del. was going to vote for the bill.
This would seem plausible since Del. Olszewski, Jr. has close ties with Governor O'Malley and the potential for some interesting changes in the political horizons may be the impetus for a yes vote from the Del. from Dundalk.
In the movie "Clear and Present Danger," there is a line that goes, "You now have a big chip in the game," and that game is politics, at least for Del. Olszewski, Jr.
Graham
8:41 am on Friday, February 17, 2012
Buzz I must disagree with you on this issue very strongly. I know this young representative. He knows what is right and wrong and he chose what is the right vote to make. If it just happens be on the same page as the governor, it does not mean he would cast such a hard vote for him anyway/.
I do not know if what I am about to say will hurt John but here it is. He is a well adjusted, educated and a modern day legislator whom I believe votes for the majority of his constituents plus what is appropriate for future generations.
I am speaking for myself only and I do hope this does no harm to that fine upstanding young man. And My Patty, whole heartily agrees with my statement and of that I am glad.
lu
1:35 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
What are these politicians afraid of? That maybe everyone could be treated as equals? I think more people would respect you for doing the right thing, than be angry because you did. By the way, religion has no part in this decision.
Buzz Beeler
3:27 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
lu, many political decisions are not always based on the "right thing," but rather what benefits the politician.
As I recall Mr. Mohler recently declined to elaborate on a recent appointment in the county when word leaked out about said appointment.
Tim
3:43 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Exactly this.
Folks need to remember that politicans are elected to be the voice of the people - not just their own voice. Unless they are a lame duck with no future political aspirations, then they can just do whatever their conscience tells them to irregardless of the fallout.
Like a certain previous president.
lu
4:53 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
I realize that politicians are only concerned about their political future. My point was that maybe their constituents would appreciate their doing the "right thing". Of course the negative voices are the loudest. More people that want the bill passed need to be vocal. So I urge people to weigh in to their representatives that all people are created equal and deserve equal rights.
Rob
6:18 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Seriously, anyone here think that this won't happen? This is what you get with one party rule. Anyone that is against this in this state has no chance of stopping it. Democrats rule Maryland and there's nothing any republican can do to stop it but you can still vote with your feet. As with anything in Maryland politics any debating is political theater and a waste of tax payer money. They should just rubber stamp everything they want because they will get it anyway, What's so hard to figure out?
Graham
8:48 am on Friday, February 17, 2012
What a demoralizing statement to make. Republicans and Democrats always have hard decisions to vote on. So you DISAGREE THEREFORE it is a rubber stamp. There is always more than one side of the story and Marylands elected for the most part do a good job. Now I must say, I am a LIBERAL in spades of which I know our district elected are not..
Bruce Kahl
6:59 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Do they represent the people? Did they ask or are they pushing there own agenda.
Time for some leadership in the 6th District.
Graham
8:50 am on Friday, February 17, 2012
Come on Colonel you know that the 6th district elected are not liberals and do a good leadership job in both houses. Have a good day Colonel.
Dkennylee
1:52 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Rob so are you saying we should all sit on are ass and do nothing? Really
Rob
6:18 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
What are you going to do? Do the people of Cuba have a shot at changing anything in Cuba? You might as well consider yourselves living in a socialist country because in Maryland government is god and they do and get whatever they want and that's how the majority of the people want it.
Susan Mazzoni
8:03 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
A video worth watching.
Here's at least one Republican for gay marriage. Watch this - she's truly inspirational.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CbmbdWK6338
Graham
8:52 am on Friday, February 17, 2012
You see both sides know how to do what is right and this was a tough vote/
Mark Patro
8:04 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Elected officials as young as Olszewski also need to think about what a no vote will look like 20 years from now. Young people support the passage of this legislation by tremendous margins, even in conservative areas of Baltimore County. Voting in favor of this is the right thing to do for many reasons.
lu
12:12 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Exactly. Women fought for their rights, African-Americans fought for their rights, And now same-sex marriage. Doesn't it look ridiculous now that they had to fight for their rights now?
Graham
9:22 am on Friday, February 17, 2012
Yes Mark, very well put
John L.
8:59 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
It is a shame that our Balto. Co. delegation are not on the same page and vote as a block. Del. E. Bromwell is supporting this legislation and advised me via e-mail today about his position.(Thursday). Olszewski should vote with Minnick and Weir. We're in a screwed up world.
Sean Douglas Franklin
9:31 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Mr. Long, have you contacted Delegate Olszewski to find out his position? What exactly makes this a screwed up world? Your statement lacks supporting facts. Stick to your environmental clean-up!
Buzz Beeler
11:56 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
From Bryan's article this morning, "Del. John Olszewski Jr., a Dundalk Democrat, is also said to be considering a vote in favor of the bill."
Where did I hear hear that before? Ah yes, from a call from an irate voter. Amazing how politicians will react when faced with the truth.
Roxane
12:02 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Does anyone think that this will end up as a referendum like the DREAM act?
Paul Amirault
12:37 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Individual civil rights should never be a subject to a referendum.
But it will.
Buzz Beeler
12:05 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Sean, Bryan's quote from Del. Olszewski, Jr. should give you an indication of how he will vote.
Matthew
1:18 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Reminds me of the quote from 12 Angry Men, "I've never seen so much talk about nothing."
The story is conjecture, followed by a comment about what someone who doesn't like the Delegate "heard" (hearsay, if you will) from someone else. He "may be close" to a vote? Doesn't that also mean he may not be?
There also very well may not even be a vote. If they don't have 71 names in their pocket, it isn't going to hit the floor.
I've grown to expect more from you Mr. Sears.
Sean Douglas Franklin
2:07 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Buzz, where do you see a quote from the delegate?
Buzz Beeler
6:18 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Sean, I think this will answer your question.
http://dundalk.patch.com/
Buzz Beeler
7:10 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Paul, you may be right on regarding your response. This press statement was just released. "Judicial Watch, is examining the possibility of a lawsuit if the bill should pass. There is also a plan to petition the bill to referendum."
Paul Amirault
7:32 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Buzz, If the politicians are smart they will pass it. The result will be it will go to referendum. Millions of dollars of out of state money will flow in for and against the bill (economic stimulus package, in Calif the Mormons gave $20,000,000 to fight it). It will be a nasty ugly vote and close. Politicians can blame others for the result. Sort of like what NJ is staring down.
Otherwise they are putting off the inevitable and wasting a lot of time. Also the losing side will go to court and spend millions of dollars for lawyers, they need the money. (example Calif.)
Great system.
Buzz Beeler
8:17 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Mathew you were saying?
Matthew
9:37 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
I was saying I don't like the speculation. It's poor journalism; unless you write for the Globe. I did read his statement though. I was impressed by his candor. Everyone always complains about how people need to stop doing whatever it takes to get elected. Why release a message if that's what you're worried about? I think more of him than I do anyone else in Annapolis.
I also will be eager to see if they have 71 votes come tomorrow. It was a done deal last year, too.
Buzz Beeler
8:30 am on Friday, February 17, 2012
Mathew, it is not poor journalism. There is a great movie on one of the most important parts of this country's history - Watergate - titled "All The President's Men."
It marks the significant impact good reporting had on what was a turning point in this nation's history. You might want to watch it.
Remember how people use to referred to the National Enquirer? That all turned around during the O.J. Simpson trial when ABC and Time Magazine praised it for its accurate and precise coverage of the trial. Last year the magazine was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize.
Rob
8:50 am on Friday, February 17, 2012
Journalism is dead. What you think is news is preplanned democrat activism with only one purpose - get Obama re-elected.
Rob
8:52 am on Friday, February 17, 2012
Actually there are two purposes. 1. Get Obama re-elected and 2. Make Republicans look bad.
Matthew
6:30 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Are you serious? So if I want to learn about Pearl Harbor, I just go pick up the movie? It must be accurate.
Buzz, I hate to break it to you but that is one of the most notoriously innaccurate films on the subject. It was just that; a movie. I have an advanced degree in Political Science. I teach "the media" as a concept/practice and institution of government. I give more credibility to gentlemen like Howard Kurtz and Larry Sabato than I do to Hollywood.
And really? The NE and the OJ story? They weren't, aren't, and won't be thought of as anything short of a rubbish talboid based on their body of work. Don't give so much credibility to such awards. Hitler was Man of the Year (1938 I believe). And Obama...well, a Nobel for him?
It was, and is, irresponsible reporting.
Buzz Beeler
10:56 am on Friday, February 17, 2012
Rob, can't argue with that. In fact this link just might be the agenda you are referring to.
And guess who is paying for it? The taxpayers.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/16/media-matters-received-50000-grant-to-scrutinize-religious-media/
Buzz Beeler
11:25 am on Friday, February 17, 2012
Graham, I was simply looking at the issue from the political side, which often times plays a role in these matters. Partisan politics as they say.
If you connect the political dots you will see where they lead. Sr. supported Kamenetz who, if you saw the Sun yesterday was photographed standing next to the governor at an auto plant.
Kamenetz was one of the only county executives who was absent at the protest of other county leaders over the shifting of the teachers pensions. He was quoted as siding with the governor adding the county could deal with the issue provided the cost burden was phased in.
During the campaign Del. Olszewski, Jr. was running on the Minnick, Weir and Stone ticket. In one the parades I marched in he was on Mr. Kamenetz's float with his father the councilman. At a meeting I asked him which side was he on? I couldn't figure out the answer.
Many times the rule of the day is partisan politics because it can play a big role in a politicians aspirations for the future.
The question I have is why the change from last year?
Sean Douglas Franklin
9:13 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Buzz, I went to a lot of parades during the campaign season when did you see the Delegate on a Kamenetz float? I think you are beginning to spread falsities...
Buzz Beeler
4:47 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Sean, I think not. Why don't you ask the Del. and get his reply or do due diligence and research before you accuse me of spreading falsities?
The parade was the North Point Volunteer FD Parade. He was standing on the float as all of the groups lined up with his father the councilman and Mr. Kamenetz.
I questioned him at the North Point Village Community Association meeting in front of Del.'s Minnick, Weir and Senator Stone. I told him I thought he was playing both sides against the middle.
Why didn't he tell Bryan when he already knew how he was going to vote? Rather interesting how quickly the reply came when the truth was known.
Sean Douglas Franklin
8:06 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Buzz, do you have a photo to back this up? Aren't you a reporter for this site? Yet, your opinion shines through more then the facts...
Matthew
6:49 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
I wouldn't tell that hack anything either; I had a little respect for him...long gone. You act like he is entitled to something.
A vote is a very important thing; publicizing anything could very well have compromised something. That said, his statement hit the media well before the floor vote.
You're hatred of that whole family is unreal. Why don't you applaud the new schools we are getting? New housing developments? New retail centers? Ft. Howard (I know the details are mess, but when said and done, it'll be a great get for the area)? Port development (thousands of jobs)? I don't care if he was on a float with another politician of the same party...that's part of the business they are in. Proximity in politics if far more an indication of relevance than it is agreement; more a 'rule of propinquity' if you will.
Buzz Beeler
2:19 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Sean, I stand by my word. Was I wrong about the Del.'s vote, or his connections to the governor? Read today's Sun headline. The Del. writes on this site, let him answer, or does he need a press rep to do his talking? I looked at your other comments. You sound like a PR rep with the rhetoric.
Matthew, show me a quote where I used the word hate? Do you know what the unemployment rate in this district is?
You seem a little unsure about your quote on this one. Which is it, a mess or fantasy island? You do remember this article don't you? Read it again until you get it. By the way, do you know the name of the lawyers involved in that deal and who is pushing it? There are a lot of dots to connect in that one.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-11-15/news/bs-md-co-ft-howard-meeting-20111115_1_veterans-affairs-medical-clinic-resident-and-army-veteran
Housing developments! You mean the $20 million taxpayer funded Yorkway deal? Is that what you mean when you say that's the business they are in?
Thousands of jobs for who? Not anyone around here. I know a couple of labor leaders who might disagree with your assessment. Here is another interesting fact as published by the Community Needs Assessment, funded by Franklin Square Hospital.
Here are the poverty rates for the following zip codes: 21220 - 8.4%; 21221 - 11.8%; 21222 - 9.2%. Median rate for BC 6.3%.
Ask some more questions, cause I got the answers.
Matthew
3:03 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
1. ...show me a quote where I used the word hate? Buzz, that is a statement. It isn't a question, thus it doesn't require a question mark.
2. Unemployment by district is an interesting topic. Councilmanic? Legislative? Congressional? There are different types of districts.
3. I'm not sure why you posted the link to that article. What am I supposed to get? There will be a compromise on the number of units and it will bring dollars and infrastructure upgrades (which will obviously be necessary) to the area.
4. Yes development(s). I'm not obsessed with Yorkway like you. Developers make profit, that's what they do. If you had the money, foresight, and initiative you could have done the same thing. I'm glad those apartments are gone. I'm even happier to have some nice new single homes in the area. They've broughts some great families to the neighborhood. I'm also impressed by the Ryland development; some great housing stock and choice for Dundalk.
5. Which labor leaders are you referring to? I suppose we'll have to see who actually get the jobs. Though I'd bet "not anyone" won't hold to be true.
6. Is that the "fact" that utilized the 2000 USCB data? Just curious, if so I'd like to see some more recent numbers. I hope it won't inconvenience you, since you have all the answers.
7. So why are you so angry about new projects that bring new jobs? You can't complain about employment and then cry about job creation (ports, housing, Ft. Howard, etc.).
Buzz Beeler
3:04 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Mathew's quote: "Buzz, I hate to break it to you but that is one of the most notoriously innaccurate films on the subject. It was just that; a movie. I have an advanced degree in ..."
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19760101/REVIEWS/601010301
What were those degrees in? You said media and political science? Do they teach you how to do homework or research, or you just ab-lib it? In other words your word is more valued than ABC News and Time Magazine and things are just peachy in this district?
What kind of statement is this? "Don't give so much credibility to such awards. Hitler was Man of the Year (1938 I believe). And Obama...well, a Nobel for him?"
I thought men with advance degrees always new the subject material, you know like the poverty rates, unemployment figures, median income, stuff like that. By the way what is the median income for this area in comparison to the rest of the county?
What was your thesis on, political rhetoric?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/emily-miller/national-enquirer-officia_b_467932.html
Buzz Beeler
4:19 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
"2. Unemployment by district is an interesting topic. Councilmanic? Legislative? Congressional? There are different types of districts."
Who are we talking about here? Olszewski, Jr. is a DELEGATE, not a councilman or a congressman. I listed the zip codes for you. How difficult can that be for a man with all of your advanced degrees? By the way what is the median income of the Delegate's district to the rest of the county? Use the same zip codes. UNEMPLOYED IS UNEMPLOYED!
"6. Is that the "fact" that utilized the 2000 USCB data? Just curious, if so I'd like to see some more recent numbers. I hope it won't inconvenience you, since you have all the answers."
Question mark after numbers please! No inconvenience, those are the most recent numbers. It was a COMPREHENSIVE OVERVIEW of the area published in 2008. Did you skip the class on statistical studies or just fell asleep? Or why don't you say you just don't know the answers.
"If you had the money, foresight, and initiative you could have done the same thing." Be careful of the statements you make, you might not like the answers.
"I'm also impressed by the Ryland development; some great housing stock and choice for Dundalk."
Now was math part of your advanced degrees that you claim to have? Let's take a look at Yorkway. If and when it gets finished and right now after years it's not, the taxpayer cost was $20 MILLION. You can do math can't you?
Matthew
4:42 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
1. That would make it a legislative district; fine. Just refer to it as such. Thanks for clarifying.
2. It was published in 2008 using 2000 U.S. Census Bureau data. What does that have to do with statistical studies classes? I asked a question. The data is 12 years old. You have no response so you start with the childish assertions.
3. What might I not like the answers to?
4. What on God's green earth does my happiness with the Ryland development (by Peninsula) have to do with the Ryan Homes development/cost? Again, you are obsessing about this. And yes, I can do math. Point? I know how much it cost, as a taxpayer I'd love to have seen it purchased for less. Such is life... Apartments gone = less drugs/crime/utilization of police resources. New tax base, good families, and rejuvenating for the community.
If you want to answer any of those, great. Though I'm done taking this thread off track. I'm going to go pick something up from RedBox and learn something...I'll be sure to grab a National Enquirer and see what 's going on in the world. I could have saved so much money on college if I'd have just watched movies and read tabloids. Why didn't you tell me about these things sooner? Real selfish Buzz.
Matthew
4:25 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
It is historically lacking; it tells the tale of journalism, but is missing the mark against a thorough fact-check. And while I don't want to re-hash a discussion that I haven't had in years, what is troubling about the film is the absence of managing editors who preserved the dignity and professionalism of the craft of journalism. In regards to history, the history of this incident, Sussman and Simons. Their role(s) as filter, advisors, refiners are all but lost. It was a dramatically important aspect of journalism that has been lost by the "instant gratification" so-called reporters of today.
No Buzz, I didn't do any homework or research. I must have slept through both quantitative and qualitative research methodology. Nothing as rigorous as watching movies, reading the Enquirer or sifting through the dogged research of Roger Ebert. When Netflix and Google become the foundation of my knowledge base, we can sit down and have a cup of coffee and talk shop. You sound like an angry drop-out; bitter about the educated world around you. Did you take the time to go to school and finish a degree anywhere? Probably too busy pointing fingers.
The point of mentioning Time Man of the Year and the Nobel Prize, was that these organizations, as with Pulitzer, aren't exactly beyond reproach. And really, are you advocating for the National Enquirer? Seriously?
And no; my thesis was on educational policy/urban student achievement (of which poverty was certainly important).
Buzz Beeler
5:19 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
" ... quantitative and qualitative research methodology." Really!
What facts are you debating about ATPM? Oh, I see there lost, sorry.
"You sound like an angry drop-out; bitter about the educated world around you." Now if you applied those aspects of your education you should know what my background and education is. I was not a dropout. I attended college but did not graduate. Here is a list of some others who also did not graduate either.
http://collegedropoutshalloffame.com/d.htm
I have asked you multiple questions right up your field of expertise and you have failed to answer one with any quantified data or research. NOT ONE. Your quote "(of which poverty was certainly important).", if it is, how come you don't have any data on it when it, according to your support of the Del. it's right in your back yard.
"When Netflix and Google become the foundation of my knowledge base, ..." I suppose you have all the answers in your head and never use the computer based technology as related in your, again, quote of " ... bitter about the educated world around you." By the way I would not compare your achievements with either Google or Neflix - the later of which which I never used - because you might come up short.
You started this debate and brought in the education equation, but you failed to realize that I would put forth the data regarding your claims and you did not.
Matthew
6:00 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
http://collegedropoutshalloffame.com/d.htm
The difference is, they went on to do something productive with their lives. You are an angry, uneducated, message board troll who fancies himself as a blogger. I found a website for them too:
www.buzzbeeler.com
I gave you a very significant issue with a FILM that you consider history. What about those two names did you not get? Do you need the gentlemen's first names as well? They are essentially absent from the FILM (one of them entirely), despite their critical role in the process (a role that has, ironically, all but vanished from modern journalism). You've supplied nothing an 18 year-old in my class couldn't find on their cell phone. If you really have a serious question, ask it. Something other than if I can add or whether I fell asleep years ago in college. Those are clearly more appropriate questions for the man in the mirror, Charles.
If you want to educate yourself on the impact of poverty as it correlates to education, and it's greatest societal impact (de facto segregation), pick up a copy of The Shame of the Nation by Jon Kozol. It doesn't have as many pictures as the National Enquirer, but I think you'll pick up on some of the high points.
I've got to stop. How do you do this all day, every day? You must get nothing done...oh...wait... You sir, are like a linguistic quicksand.
Buzz Beeler
6:51 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Well written from a highly educated individual? So when faced with something you can't respond you resort to personal attacks: "... on to do something productive with their lives."
Does this count?
http://www.buzzbeeler.com/articles
"... who fancies himself as a blogger." I do have a blog on Patch, but then you would know that if you did your homework.
" ... to do something productive with their lives." Now where do I find out how much of a productive life you've lead? You want me to answer to a pseudonym. Why don't you have the courage to stand behind your remarks. How much character does it take to attack one personally when you say my life was not productive? Thirty-nine years on the police force, among other things is not productive?
I did not mention my site only that you failed to use due diligence in your remarks.
How easy it is for people like you to brand people like me when you don't even have the courage to stand up for what you believe in. You don't like Google but yet you seem scared to death of it. By the way did your degree find the web site or a search engine you panned?
As I recall you started the conversation on all of the accolades pertaining to this district, remember. "1. That would make it a legislative district; fine. Just refer to it as such. Thanks for clarifying."
"I've got to stop." You said that the last time. I am retired. I am a writer and do this to keep my mind sharp.
Matthew
8:39 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
It's not working.